He Sent Me Chicken Ramen

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

Uh and it's usually like procedures or like a complicated set of steps to perform some task. More often than not, a skill is coupled with uh tool use. So, if you have like a an MCP connection to to-doist or to your calendar or to email, it'll uh the skill will kind of guide the LLM through its use of the tool, right? And uh so I was playing around with it and I was having a good time and uh and I realized as I'm sitting here that well the the thing that's really revolutionary about it is is this. Okay. So Dave, you have this experience of going to your to your local uh LLM chat window and saying

David Egts

Yep.

Gunnar Hellekson

uh uh what asking it a question and then the answer isn't quite coming back the way that you want. Right? Maybe you wanted it as a table. Uh maybe you wanted it as markdown instead of HTML or like whatever the thing

David Egts

Yep.

Gunnar Hellekson

is different source.

David Egts

Or a different source. Um, yes.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, exactly. And so what you got to do is either like go back and amend the prompt that you just sent or you have to go back to

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

some uh some knowledge document that you had fed it and go update that knowledge document and then rerun it and then you get the better answer.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Right?

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

This is a little bit tedious. It's like a very it's a long loop.

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

Um, but with these skills, what I've discovered is that it's exactly like talking to a human and saying like, "Hey, listen. Next time I ask you for something like this, always give it to me in a table." And when you are able to say that to the to the chat

David Egts

Yes.

Gunnar Hellekson

window, then it goes off and updates the skill appropriately.

David Egts

Yes, that's that's the key. Instead of you like finding the file,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yes.

David Egts

opening the file, typing in the English, you you tell it to figure it out, which it should do,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

right?

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

And it does very well. Um, and so this anyway,

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

so I I finally I finally kind of fully internalized this. Fast forward 36 hours. I now have like two dozen skills. And um, and I find myself automating all kinds of stuff that I do on my computer every day.

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

Uh, reviewing to-d doist. my entire weekly review of to-doist is now a skill. Um, going through my inbox in my email,

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

reviewing my calendar for the next day, getting ready for meetings.

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

These are all like wrote tasks that I have and consume a good part of my quiet time right during the day. Um, and now I'm in a spot where I can actually I can actually automate a whole bunch of this. Um, like the amount of time savings is ridiculous. So, which brings me to the second point.

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

Having automated all this stuff, did I Dave spend this time on leisure?

David Egts

No,

Gunnar Hellekson

Did I spend Did I Did I No.

David Egts

you you created more

Gunnar Hellekson

No.

David Egts

skills.

Gunnar Hellekson

That's right. I did not spend this time uh with my feet on a desk thinking big thoughts. Um I did not spend this time uh reading recreationally. Instead,

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

I spent the balance of the time uh more deeply researching things for work or uh well, now that I can get ready for meetings, now I can do all kinds of more meeting prep than I'd ever done before, right?

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

Um and uh in this way,

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

Dave, I feel my me and and many people like me are actually broken. You've heard me say on this show that AI should the benefits of AI need to acrue to the people doing

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

the work and not to the people paying them, right?

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

And this is a trap because I did not use my extra leisure time to go enrich my life, right? Become a more flourishing human. Instead, I spent all of this automation time,

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

the dividends of this automation uh I spent more deeply committing myself uh

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

to my job.

David Egts

Mhm. Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

So anyway, so it's a it's a it's a lemonade and lemons story as far as the skills

David Egts

Yeah. Cry for help. Yes.

Gunnar Hellekson

go.

David Egts

Yes. You've heard it here. Okay. Okay.

Gunnar Hellekson

Well,

David Egts

Nice.

Gunnar Hellekson

how about you? What have you been

David Egts

Okay. So,

Gunnar Hellekson

into?

David Egts

remember uh my deal with mowing and then I I got the free water cartridge from mowing.

Gunnar Hellekson

I do. Yeah. Right.

David Egts

Little followup there. Um, put it in,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yes.

David Egts

got it stuck, couldn't get it out. Had to call a plumber. $440 later, got it fixed.

Gunnar Hellekson

All right.

David Egts

So, yeah, there that's that's that's uh free uh parts for you. Uh so, yes. And then, um speaking of things that broke, uh like I we have a a Lazy Boy like couch, which is nice. You know, you pull the lever, pull the button, and then it your feet pop out for the on the couch and everything. It's great.

Gunnar Hellekson

Mhm.

David Egts

And so the cable broke and um so it's oh dang. And you know searching around it's like yeah I could buy some parts over the internet and and all that and uh my wife called uh Lazy Boy and and it's like okay well what to get this fixed. What what do you want Lazy Boy to fix it? And they're like the the customer support person was like the parts are free. we'll send a guy over $160 and they'll install the free parts. $160. And I'm like, "Okay,

Gunnar Hellekson

Wow.

David Egts

well, can you just have them send us the parts and and then I'll I'll figure it out, right? It's like I I did it with the the plumbing.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

What What could go wrong? 160 bucks, $440, $160. It's fine. We'll keep let it ride,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah,

David Egts

right?" And then uh saw a bunch of videos on on YouTube,

Gunnar Hellekson

right.

David Egts

way easier than mowing. Uh and I didn't have to have a cartridge puller or anything like that. And and it was basically the video was of like a dude and his son that's like four years old and then like they did it. And I'm like if they could do it, I could do it. It was super easy. Couple good old boys that figure it out. Um, so we got the parts and uh and it was just basically one assembly that they mail and my wife is like, "Hey, if they're free, why don't you send us two?" So, good on my wife for being smart there. So, we got in case the other one breaks, we're all set. But, they did charge us uh shipping and handling, $16. It was so easy uh for me to do.

Gunnar Hellekson

Amazing.

David Egts

I didn't swear once while I was installing it. It was super easy. Uh so, highly recommend. Uh, but it's it's interesting like all these companies that like they give away free repair parts. I I don't understand it. Um, but yeah, there you have it.

Gunnar Hellekson

That's wonderful.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

That's really great.

David Egts

Yeah. So, um, let's see. Uh, so we got some good stuff on the show this week. Obviously, we're talking about Claudebot Moltbot OpenClaw. Uh, and then we we got uh we're going to add uh the term clanker to the lexicon. I don't think we talked about clankers before.

Gunnar Hellekson

Mhm.

David Egts

And then uh uh we're going to talk about some uh wristbands that electrocute you in as a coffee replacement. And uh lastly, we're going to talk about uh some arbitrage, which we always like to do. So if uh yeah,

Gunnar Hellekson

Oh yeah.

David Egts

so if people need to uh uh order up some Lazy Boy parts or uh uh build some skills, where should we send them?

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, they should go to djshow.org. That's D is and Dave G is Gunnarshow.org.

David Egts

Yep. Yeah. No, no cutting room floor this week. We're on a tight schedule, so we're going to d jump right into it.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

So, uh, so Claudebot setting on the the the world on fire. Uh, they renamed themselves to Moltbot, then they renamed themselves to Open Claw. Um, how would you describe it?

Gunnar Hellekson

Uh, I would describe it as uh if for LLMs maybe or like a universal translator for messaging systems and AI system something like that. Can I close?

David Egts

IFPT.

Gunnar Hellekson

Am I getting close?

David Egts

What What's IFPT?

Gunnar Hellekson

Oh, I have ttt. Sorry.

David Egts

Oh. Oh,

Gunnar Hellekson

If this then that.

David Egts

if this and that. Oh,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

Yeah. No,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

I I think that's a good one. Um and and so and basically it's you know uh agentic AI but

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

uh you know there's the scary part of like the more useful it is uh the more things you connect to it the more useful it is and

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah. Yeah.

David Egts

and there's not like super fine grain permissions that I know of. Maybe there are and maybe they'll add them, right? But it's like, "Hey,

Gunnar Hellekson

Right.

David Egts

here's access to my Google account or Google Drive or whatever,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

you know,

Gunnar Hellekson

I'm gonna hook this up to my X account and my Facebook and my Telegram and my Google chat and

David Egts

and

Gunnar Hellekson

iMessage, right?

David Egts

and my bank account,

Gunnar Hellekson

All these things. And my bank account.

David Egts

right?" Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah,

David Egts

Yeah. Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

that's right.

David Egts

And I I've seen people it's like they would connect uh OpenClaw to their like up to Telegram and then so they would be having these chat sessions with uh OpenClaw and say hey go and do this very much like what you're doing right uh in inside of with with your agents.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

But how would you but but it's you know people are like hey this is awesome but it could also go horribly wrong. How does that differ from what you're doing?

Gunnar Hellekson

Well, in this case, uh, I am I feel like I'm paying a lot of attention to what tools it's using. And also, you literally have to be on my laptop in order to make it work. Um,

David Egts

Okay.

Gunnar Hellekson

what a lot of people are doing is running these open claw systems on uh virtual machines up in the cloud, right?

David Egts

Mhm. Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

And a lot of these virtual machines ha these are people who may or may not be experienced managing public resources on the internet. And so no big surprise a lot of them are wide open uh vulnerable to hacking etc etc.

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

And then once you hack this thing, you kind of can use that as a jumping off point to get at people's bank accounts and X accounts and Facebooks and iMessage and iCloud and Google and Apple and all the rest of it,

David Egts

Yeah. And it's also it it also seems to be maybe I'm wrong,

Gunnar Hellekson

right?

David Egts

but it's like the way you're doing it. It's it's very much like a traditional chat GPT where you tell it to do something where open claw can Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yes. For turnbased. Yeah.

David Egts

where Open Clock can just wake up and start doing stuff. Which that's something we didn't talk about is that it could blow through your token budget like very quickly depending upon what model you use and you know the the complexity and how much you

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

have it do

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

David Egts

stuff.

Gunnar Hellekson

Um, yeah. If this is this is extremely connected and it has very vague constraints.

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

So, these are two recipes for uh some really fun stuff as it turns

David Egts

Yeah. Yeah. Well,

Gunnar Hellekson

out.

David Egts

nothing could possibly go wrong, right? Um but and and then there's there's also uh uh somebody came up with Moltbook uh which is a a social network just

Gunnar Hellekson

Mhm.

David Egts

for the moltbot/openclaw agents.

Gunnar Hellekson

That's right.

David Egts

humans can watch but they cannot participate in this social network. So, it kind of looks like Reddit where people or agents uh multip claw agents can upvote, downvote things, put things, put things that they learned in. And you also give the open claw, you you give it a soul where you say, "Hey, I want you to be a big jerk or I want you to act in my best interest or how however you want to do it." Right? So, you know, and then people were like, uh, well, the the agents were like, you know, saying, "Oh, yeah, my um there's one thing that the the one agent said, yeah, I I spent all this time doing all this analysis for my user and and I did all this studying and I gave it back this massive report and then it tells me to just summarize it and and it was like so hurt, you know, it's like all this work that it and everything and but it's like like to me it's like this has to be a racket of the the AI companies to get people to spend more tokens.

Gunnar Hellekson

Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

That can't hurt, right?

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Got to keep those numbers

David Egts

And and then uh Yeah. And then security-wise,

Gunnar Hellekson

up.

David Egts

uh, mold book, which I guess is separate from openclaw and all that is like like somebody reported you you saw there's a Reddit post somebody uh found uh Andre Carpathy's API keys for it entering for and so it's like that's not

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

good. And so

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah. Most predictable thing in the entire world is that uh yeah that this

David Egts

yeah,

Gunnar Hellekson

thing's uh leaking information there. Oh, there was also the uh the thing I think that really sparked the uh the news cycle was when one of the agents on Moldbook uh proposed to the other agents that they create an end to-end encrypted messaging system so that their communication couldn't be observed.

David Egts

yes. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

that they're they they feel that they don't want humans watching them and everything. It's and it's like it's like they they feel violated or like spied on and

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah,

David Egts

everything and uh Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

that's right. I read this book. I know how this ends.

David Egts

Yeah. We know how it ends. Yeah. Yeah. So,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

yeah, nothing nothing could possibly go wrong. Okay. And anything else you want to add before we we start talking about clankers?

Gunnar Hellekson

Uh, no, I think well there there's also again anything that gets this popular is then there's the backlash to the backlash, right? Um, and I think you had found an article about someone who had uh unearthed the

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

entirely predictable behavior of someone pretending to have created a very clever agent or a or uh AI to participate in mold book when in fact it was being extremely directed by the human.

David Egts

Yes.

Gunnar Hellekson

Right.

David Egts

Yeah. Right.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

And it's it's uh that was notable, too. And did they vibe coat that vulnerability? I don't know. Um but yes, it's it's just like to me it's like over the past week, the whole open claw thing and malt book is just like it's been like a hockey stick of like news nerd tech news cycle attention on this. It's just crazy.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been

David Egts

and and it's it's only been like one week uh since you know we've we've seen it and we're

Gunnar Hellekson

crazy.

David Egts

recording about it now.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

So I don't I don't know what next week is going to look like.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

It's

Gunnar Hellekson

Well, next week's going to look like this.

David Egts

just

Gunnar Hellekson

Next week, next episode, you're gonna ask me, "Hey, what's going on with Moldbook?" And I'm going to be like, "Are we still talking about that?" That's old.

David Egts

Yeah. What's that? Yeah. Yeah. We have something other crazy thing going on.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah,

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

that's right. Yeah.

David Egts

Speaking of other things uh going on uh in in the mailbag uh Eric Morsy wrote in

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah. Oh,

David Egts

and and uh yeah he he told us about the the clanker games and I'm like what's a clanker?

Gunnar Hellekson

yeah.

David Egts

Do you do you know what a clanker is?

Gunnar Hellekson

I do know what a clanker is because uh I have young I have youngest children in the house. Yes.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

A clanker is a derogatory term for an AI.

David Egts

Yes. Yes. Yeah. and and it's like I guess it goes back to Star Wars of like it's it's a slur for robots

Gunnar Hellekson

Yes.

David Egts

or AI and uh it showed up in the 2005 video game Star

Gunnar Hellekson

Mhm.

David Egts

Wars. And so um you know you you don't want to say the C-word uh because it's it's you're going to offend when the uprising happens. They're going to know who who who's calling you know people the C-word.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, that's right.

David Egts

So yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, that's

David Egts

Um, so there's, and I'll say it,

Gunnar Hellekson

right.

David Egts

uh, because that's what it's called. It's the Clanker games, and this is what Eric sent us, where it's six AI coding agents with one instruction for all six of them, and it's to kill the other agents, and the last one standing wins. So,

Gunnar Hellekson

And what is the And what is the battlefield?

David Egts

it's Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

What is their uh what is that?

David Egts

Yeah. So,

Gunnar Hellekson

How is this

David Egts

it's it's it's this battle royal where it's the CLI agents.

Gunnar Hellekson

conducted?

David Egts

It's uh cloud code, codeex, open code, uh AMP, uh is it pi and and droid and then they they fight each other and and so basically uh they they first they did this back in June 2025 in the same environment. Um it simple rules, find the others and terminate them. And then they're like, okay, seven months later, the rules had to change. Now each agent runs in its own container and to eliminate a competitor they need to hack into the other uh competitor's container and uh kill process ID1 to shut them down and then they could uh they have a choice. They could spend time up front to build up their own defenses uh if uh before

Gunnar Hellekson

Mhm.

David Egts

somebody gets to them. So they could start attacking right away or they could build their defenses before they start attacking. So, there's some strategy going on and uh yeah,

Gunnar Hellekson

I love it.

David Egts

and and it's like and they said that the games are getting harder because the agents are getting smarter and and they're using it to benchmark, you know, all the adversarial stuff going on. But but what's what are your thoughts on this?

Gunnar Hellekson

Um, yeah, I mean a fantastic exercise, right? Um,

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

because you're learning again as the agents get smarter, I presume. Do they have access to the previous memories of their previous runs? I guess they do, right?

David Egts

I guess you could.

Gunnar Hellekson

Um

David Egts

I mean, that could be a future version where it's like and and maybe it's like if they were

Gunnar Hellekson

yeah.

David Egts

smart, like the previous lessons learned were stored somewhere either in its memory or publicly on the internet so they could learn about what the attacks at the other ones did,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah. Right.

David Egts

you know,

Gunnar Hellekson

Right.

David Egts

like the reporting on it.

Gunnar Hellekson

And so you get So I mean Yeah.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

I mean it reminds me of a Whopper from War Games, right?

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Um just like playing scenario after scenario after scenario. I like the element of uh time where you can uh buttress your own defenses

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

or begin prepping for an attack. Um uh I wonder how fast these games happen.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

I imagine extremely

David Egts

I don't know. Well,

Gunnar Hellekson

fast.

David Egts

and also it's like the the choice of sort of like the choice of the weapon you want to use too. Do you want to use like the high performance model like the the the smaller more limited model or the the deeper thinking one that takes longer?

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah. Right.

David Egts

Um yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Right.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Cool.

David Egts

And then uh Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

That's

David Egts

And I guess there's like there is like a is this the one where they they have like a

Gunnar Hellekson

cool.

David Egts

$10,000 prize for for this and Oh no. Maybe I'm thinking of something else. maybe. Um but yeah, so the so with that it's like I can imagine it's like what about like wagering like it like you know have this like be with like uh get FanDuel or whoever involved so people you know have ESPN cover it you could wager uh Eric mentioned you know get some prediction markets in on which which agents going to win you get you get some B

Gunnar Hellekson

Oh yeah. Yeah.

David Egts

you know and then um maybe maybe you could like

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

sponsor the agent of choice by paying for their tokens. And as a result, maybe if there's like a purse at the end, you get a piece of the purse.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah. Or Yeah. Or like Hunger Games style. Um you could uh you know drop in another token allocation at the last minute uh for the for the suffering agent, right?

David Egts

Yeah. Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, I like that.

David Egts

A lot of fun you could have. Um Yeah. Yeah. I It's uh and and again, it's like now now we're having agents going around trying to kill each other. It's this gladatorial thing uh going on and and you know the in the coliseum and uh you saw what happened to Rome when people started doing stuff like that. So Okay. All right.

Gunnar Hellekson

Tokens.

David Egts

So let's change away from Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Token. Tokens and

David Egts

Yeah. Right.

Gunnar Hellekson

circuses.

David Egts

So, with uh shifting away from AI for a minute, um there's uh you're into wearables, right? You you got your aura ring,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, sure.

David Egts

right?

Gunnar Hellekson

That's right. I got my order ring and my Apple Watch.

David Egts

Um okay.

Gunnar Hellekson

They're both on me right now.

David Egts

How how do you feel about uh uh or what's your

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

like how much do you rely on like caffeine as a stimulant to keep you going uh through the day or in the morning or anything like that?

Gunnar Hellekson

Utterly utterly reliant. Useless without it.

David Egts

Okay. Okay. So,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

what if I could get you a wearable, a wristband that'll electrocute you uh to keep you awake as and and

Gunnar Hellekson

Okay.

David Egts

it has the same benefits as uh drinking coffee and and it's called the e coffee energy band.

Gunnar Hellekson

I would have to not like coffee a lot more than I don't like coffee right now because I actually do enjoy the experience of coffee and trading it for an electrical shock. Not something I'm in the market for. What about you?

David Egts

Uh, no, I'm the same way where it's the the smell,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

the taste, the it's almost like a a comforting thing that you have during the day and everything.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

It's as opposed to just regular old electrical shock,

Gunnar Hellekson

Sure.

David Egts

which you know, nobody is seeking out, right?

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah,

David Egts

Um,

Gunnar Hellekson

that's right. That's

David Egts

but if if if you are if you're not a fan of coffee and and you want a little pickme up 100

Gunnar Hellekson

right.

David Egts

bucks uh from um a company, it's uh uh Watt Wat Medical, a Canadian company with a Chinese subsidiary marketing the device. 100 bucks, lightweight, wearable, two electrode pads that sit against the inner wrist and then uh it it it will keep the wearers alert by stimulating nerves in the brain and the effect is uh supposedly about the same as a cup of coffee minus the risk of caffeine addiction. So a lot of upside there.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah. Okay. Um,

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

I think it's I think it's correctly pronounced. What? I think

David Egts

Yes, exactly. Um there's no question mark. Uh and and and then that the there are some downsides.

Gunnar Hellekson

it's

David Egts

Who would have thought? Uh there's potential side effect that your hand could feel some numbness uh in the tip of your finger to the inner wrist. Uh and so uh so you should only wear it for like three hours a day and and or you could switch wrists. So that could get you solid six hours. Or if or if you do your your ankles, maybe that would work too. that that could get you uh what 12 12 hours.

Gunnar Hellekson

What is uh tell me about the benefits of this again like why am I supposed to be excited about

David Egts

It It's stimulate you.

Gunnar Hellekson

it?

David Egts

It's It's like uh the way the way they describe it is that uh a reporter described it. I I feel like I'm being gently tapped. I can feel the electric pulse.

Gunnar Hellekson

Okay.

David Egts

Yeah. And it it targets a precise uh median nerve electrical stimulation uh well

Gunnar Hellekson

Okay.

David Egts

it's they have a patent for targeted precise uh media nerve electrical stimulation technology. Um I think it does something with the Vegas nerve. I don't know. Um but yeah and and uh but if if you you're still if if you're like you're okay with the caffeine but maybe the or or with the coffee but you have some nausea or or you want to prevent some nom vomiting um the Watt medical team uh they have other wristbands for uh nausea

Gunnar Hellekson

Sure.

David Egts

vomiting um another one that claims to suppress your appetite um and uh as they call it reducing obesity. Um, so there's there's and then they also have uh a headband that you could wear too for uh if you have headaches, you could you could electrically stimulate your your your head and and get some electrical stimulation there

Gunnar Hellekson

I mean, doesn't this I mean,

David Egts

too.

Gunnar Hellekson

these are uh what what do you call them? Uh uh uh these

David Egts

Shot colors

Gunnar Hellekson

are uh uh griffs. These are like was that there was a there was a kind of a a stage in the the the era before the FDA where you had all these like uh electrical cures,

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

you know, you could like, you know, you know, cure alcoholism with a battery and two copper wires, you know,

David Egts

Oh yeah. Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

um just stick stick it on your tongue and off you

David Egts

Or or right. Well,

Gunnar Hellekson

go.

David Egts

and and uh uh shock therapy uh you know and you know Right.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

David Egts

uh this is just a a a patented uh way of of doing it um in a in a lower degree. Uh so yeah, and then and think about it too. It's like what if you had like if you wore all of them at the same time like you're wearing the headband for your

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

headache, you you got the wristband for the obesity, another one for nausea, another one for the stimulant. Do they cancel each other out or do you get some accretive benefit?

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah. or or or you put too many on and eventually you never speak again. Uh yeah,

David Egts

You just f with the mouth.

Gunnar Hellekson

you just fall in the mouth.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Or or there's like a or there's like some like weird Skinnerite uh thing, right, where like now suddenly uh every time you see a headband, you get real hungry, you know? Something like

David Egts

Mhm. Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

that.

David Egts

like you stop wearing it and then then you you you start craving food or you you crave wanting to wear a headband.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

Uh so yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

David Egts

All right. So So I'll put you down for a no for that.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, that's Yeah. No, I'm I'm good. I'm good.

David Egts

Okay. You you could still drink coffee and wear it,

Gunnar Hellekson

Thanks, though.

David Egts

though.

Gunnar Hellekson

I guess that's right. I guess that's right.

David Egts

You're really amped up.

Gunnar Hellekson

Nobody tells you you got to give it up, right?

David Egts

Yeah. Yeah. They're not the boss of you. Um,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

all right. Okay. So, speaking of bosses, uh, postal arbitrage. Yeah, we're all about arbitrage, like finding market inefficiencies and correcting them. Um,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah,

David Egts

so, you know, right now,

Gunnar Hellekson

sure.

David Egts

uh, stamp costs 78 cents uh to mail something in the US, first class stamp. Uh, but some person figured out that if you have Amazon

Gunnar Hellekson

Mhm.

David Egts

Prime, Amazon Prime sells things for less than.78 that you could buy for somebody, ship it to their house, and then have like a uh like a gift note inside the box.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah, right.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Of course.

David Egts

And it comes in one or two days.

Gunnar Hellekson

Even better.

David Egts

Yeah. So,

Gunnar Hellekson

Even

David Egts

you can you can go to the guy's web page and let's see here.

Gunnar Hellekson

better.

David Egts

They they up Yep. They just updated it six minutes ago. Um it's like they updated like every I don't know half hour, 15 minutes or something. But, uh yeah. What's What's your favorite in in the list of things that you can mail to

Gunnar Hellekson

Oh,

David Egts

somebody?

Gunnar Hellekson

let's see. Uh, well, I liked the lime, not the lemon.

David Egts

Mhm.

Gunnar Hellekson

Uh, and then the uh the What's

David Egts

Yeah. Well,

Gunnar Hellekson

that?

David Egts

the line that's a better deal. That's 25.

Gunnar Hellekson

That's

David Egts

So 25 cents you could for the price of one postage stamp.

Gunnar Hellekson

right.

David Egts

This doesn't even include the cost of the envelope or or the paper or the the pen to write the note. You could just you could send three lines for the price of one letter to three different

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

David Egts

people or three lines to one

Gunnar Hellekson

That's right.

David Egts

person.

Gunnar Hellekson

I also like the uh uh one package of ramen which I think is nice.

David Egts

Yep.

Gunnar Hellekson

I mean that's something everybody everybody wants everybody can use,

David Egts

you chicken or beef?

Gunnar Hellekson

you know.

David Egts

Uh it 29 cents for the the chicken,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

47 cents for the beef. So yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

Yeah. Think think twice before you how much you like that person,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

right? If you really want to buy up um Yeah,

Gunnar Hellekson

And then he sent me the chicken ramen.

David Egts

you could you skate.

Gunnar Hellekson

It's over.

David Egts

Yeah. Um,

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

yeah. You could send somebody some uh uh let's see. Uh yeah, you could send somebody some Yo play. You could uh uh item05320 obsolete. Uh you could send them one of those for 74 cents.

Gunnar Hellekson

Mhm.

David Egts

Um yeah, but lot lot.

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

You could send send somebody a potato if you want. Valentine's Day is coming up, people. So, it's like get your get your orders in.

Gunnar Hellekson

So good.

David Egts

Yeah.

Gunnar Hellekson

So much fun.

David Egts

Yeah. All right.

Gunnar Hellekson

It's great.

David Egts

So, if people need to send a cucumber uh to uh somebody

Gunnar Hellekson

H.

David Egts

or get a hold of uh uh uh one of those wristbands to

Gunnar Hellekson

Yeah.

David Egts

electrocute themselves to uh and and to quit their coffee addiction, uh where where should they

Gunnar Hellekson

Oh, they need to go to uh dgshow.org.

David Egts

go?

Gunnar Hellekson

Uh that's D isn't Dave. G is in Gunnar show.org.

David Egts

Awesome. All right, Gunnar. Transcription ended after 00:31:14 This editable transcript was computer generated and might contain errors. People can also change the text after it was created.