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  <title>Episode 224: Smells Like Sauerkraut</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about the norms of dream coercion, the norms of encrypted messaging, and the norms of ransomware game theory</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about the norms of dream coercion, the norms of encrypted messaging, and the norms of ransomware game theory
Bo Burnham’s “Inside” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU)
Foo Fighters at the ICON Music Center (https://iconmusiccenter.com/)
Are advertisers coming for your dreams? (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/are-advertisers-coming-your-dreams)
Silent Lucidity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhat-xUQ6dw) by Queensryche
Unrelated: Sleep Sensing on Nest Hub (2nd gen) (https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/10357288)
Also unrelated: Amazon.com Wants to Monitor You in Your Sleep, for Your Benefit (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-09/amazon-com-wants-to-monitor-you-in-your-sleep-for-your-benefit)
We Got the Phone the FBI Secretly Sold to Criminals (https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7b4gg/anom-phone-arcaneos-fbi-backdoor)
Why everyone should use disappearing messages on WhatsApp and Signal (https://www.wired.co.uk/article/whatsapp-signal-disappearing-messages)
Related XKCD (https://xkcd.com/538/)
Opinion | Could Ransomware Become a Geopolitical Weapon? Game Theory Says Yes. (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/08/ransomware-game-theory-geopolitics-cyber-attack-498625)
Cutting Room Floor
* Smells Like Teen Spirit Cover In Classical Latin (75 BC to 3rd Century AD) Bardcore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEKIW3pUUk)
* Frozen’s “Let It Go” Performed in Klingon (https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/606709/frozens-let-it-go-in-klingon)
    * “Don’t Stop Believin’” Performed in Klingon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOJoOtk7Scw)
* Subterranean Homesick Blues Performed in a Regional Jet Restroom (https://www.openculture.com/2021/06/the-airline-toilets-theatre-company.html) as performed by the Airline Toilets Theatre Company (and member of the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain (https://www.ukuleleorchestra.com/))
* ”Take on Me” Performed by Face Smacking (https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/o137d0/oc_i_discovered_that_i_can_play_a_melody_by/)
* Sublime Text (https://what-i-got.glitch.me/) to get What I Got
We Give Thanks
* The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about the norms of dream coercion, the norms of encrypted messaging, and the norms of ransomware game theory</p>

<ul>
<li>Bo Burnham’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU" rel="nofollow">“Inside”</a></li>
<li>Foo Fighters at the <a href="https://iconmusiccenter.com/" rel="nofollow">ICON Music Center</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/are-advertisers-coming-your-dreams" rel="nofollow">Are advertisers coming for your dreams?</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhat-xUQ6dw" rel="nofollow">Silent Lucidity</a> by Queensryche</li>
<li>Unrelated: <a href="https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/10357288" rel="nofollow">Sleep Sensing on Nest Hub (2nd gen)</a></li>
<li>Also unrelated: <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-09/amazon-com-wants-to-monitor-you-in-your-sleep-for-your-benefit" rel="nofollow">Amazon.com Wants to Monitor You in Your Sleep, for Your Benefit</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7b4gg/anom-phone-arcaneos-fbi-backdoor" rel="nofollow">We Got the Phone the FBI Secretly Sold to Criminals</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/whatsapp-signal-disappearing-messages" rel="nofollow">Why everyone should use disappearing messages on WhatsApp and Signal</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://xkcd.com/538/" rel="nofollow">Related XKCD</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/08/ransomware-game-theory-geopolitics-cyber-attack-498625" rel="nofollow">Opinion | Could Ransomware Become a Geopolitical Weapon? Game Theory Says Yes.</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEKIW3pUUk" rel="nofollow">Smells Like Teen Spirit Cover In Classical Latin (75 BC to 3rd Century AD) Bardcore</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/606709/frozens-let-it-go-in-klingon" rel="nofollow">Frozen’s “Let It Go” Performed in Klingon</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOJoOtk7Scw" rel="nofollow">“Don’t Stop Believin’” Performed in Klingon</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.openculture.com/2021/06/the-airline-toilets-theatre-company.html" rel="nofollow">Subterranean Homesick Blues Performed in a Regional Jet Restroom</a> as performed by the Airline Toilets Theatre Company (and member of <a href="https://www.ukuleleorchestra.com/" rel="nofollow">the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/o137d0/oc_i_discovered_that_i_can_play_a_melody_by/" rel="nofollow">”Take on Me” Performed by Face Smacking</a></li>
<li><a href="https://what-i-got.glitch.me/" rel="nofollow">Sublime Text</a> to get What I Got</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about the norms of dream coercion, the norms of encrypted messaging, and the norms of ransomware game theory</p>

<ul>
<li>Bo Burnham’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU" rel="nofollow">“Inside”</a></li>
<li>Foo Fighters at the <a href="https://iconmusiccenter.com/" rel="nofollow">ICON Music Center</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/are-advertisers-coming-your-dreams" rel="nofollow">Are advertisers coming for your dreams?</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhat-xUQ6dw" rel="nofollow">Silent Lucidity</a> by Queensryche</li>
<li>Unrelated: <a href="https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/10357288" rel="nofollow">Sleep Sensing on Nest Hub (2nd gen)</a></li>
<li>Also unrelated: <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-09/amazon-com-wants-to-monitor-you-in-your-sleep-for-your-benefit" rel="nofollow">Amazon.com Wants to Monitor You in Your Sleep, for Your Benefit</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7b4gg/anom-phone-arcaneos-fbi-backdoor" rel="nofollow">We Got the Phone the FBI Secretly Sold to Criminals</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/whatsapp-signal-disappearing-messages" rel="nofollow">Why everyone should use disappearing messages on WhatsApp and Signal</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://xkcd.com/538/" rel="nofollow">Related XKCD</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/08/ransomware-game-theory-geopolitics-cyber-attack-498625" rel="nofollow">Opinion | Could Ransomware Become a Geopolitical Weapon? Game Theory Says Yes.</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEKIW3pUUk" rel="nofollow">Smells Like Teen Spirit Cover In Classical Latin (75 BC to 3rd Century AD) Bardcore</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/606709/frozens-let-it-go-in-klingon" rel="nofollow">Frozen’s “Let It Go” Performed in Klingon</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOJoOtk7Scw" rel="nofollow">“Don’t Stop Believin’” Performed in Klingon</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.openculture.com/2021/06/the-airline-toilets-theatre-company.html" rel="nofollow">Subterranean Homesick Blues Performed in a Regional Jet Restroom</a> as performed by the Airline Toilets Theatre Company (and member of <a href="https://www.ukuleleorchestra.com/" rel="nofollow">the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/o137d0/oc_i_discovered_that_i_can_play_a_melody_by/" rel="nofollow">”Take on Me” Performed by Face Smacking</a></li>
<li><a href="https://what-i-got.glitch.me/" rel="nofollow">Sublime Text</a> to get What I Got</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 176: The Argument Dilution Effect</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2019 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about the risks of improperly testing malware, the risks of reading the wrong things, the risks of using Google services that haven’t been killed yet, and the risks of downplaying risk</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>41:36</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://twitter.com/davidegts) and Gunnar (http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about) talk about the risks of improperly testing malware, the risks of reading the wrong things, the risks of using Google services that haven’t been killed yet, and the risks of downplaying risk
  Dave tries Jabbrrbox (https://dgshow.org/162)
  Gunnar organizes Todoist (https://todoist.com/r/gunnar_xbegbz) by Meeting
  D&amp;amp;G This Week in Irony: Man angry his photo was used to prove all hipsters look alike — then learns it wasn't him (https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.5046925/man-angry-his-photo-was-used-to-prove-all-hipsters-look-alike-then-learns-it-wasn-t-him-1.5046933)
  Google Play malware used phones’ motion sensors to conceal itself (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/01/google-play-malware-used-phones-motion-sensors-to-conceal-itself/)
  D&amp;amp;G This Week in Vendor Abandonment: Google’s constant product shutdowns are damaging its brand (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/04/googles-constant-product-shutdowns-are-damaging-its-brand/)
  The Argument Dilution Effect: How Drug Company Ads Downplay Risks (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-drug-company-ads-downplay-risks/)
  How to Read 80ish Books a Year (And Actually Remember Them) (https://www.gq.com/story/how-to-read-good)
  The Weeds Podcast (https://www.vox.com/the-weeds)
Cutting Room Floor
*   Watch Scientists Express Their Research in Interpretive Dances (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/59xyan/watch-scientists-express-their-research-dance-your-phd-aaas)
*   Hot or Not for fake people (https://thecleverest.com/judgefakepeople/)
*   Human Blinders Block Out Distractions (https://www.neatorama.com/2018/10/18/Human-Blinders-Block-Out-Distractions/)
We Give Thanks
*   The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Jabbrrbox, Todoist, hipster effect, Android, Google, vendor abandonment, argument dilution effect, reading, The Weeds Podcast, interpretive dance, AI-generated people, human blinders</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about the risks of improperly testing malware, the risks of reading the wrong things, the risks of using Google services that haven’t been killed yet, and the risks of downplaying risk</p>

<ul>
<li>  Dave tries <a href="https://dgshow.org/162" rel="nofollow">Jabbrrbox</a></li>
<li>  Gunnar organizes <a href="https://todoist.com/r/gunnar_xbegbz" rel="nofollow">Todoist</a> by Meeting</li>
<li>  D&amp;G This Week in Irony: <a href="https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.5046925/man-angry-his-photo-was-used-to-prove-all-hipsters-look-alike-then-learns-it-wasn-t-him-1.5046933" rel="nofollow">Man angry his photo was used to prove all hipsters look alike — then learns it wasn&#39;t him</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/01/google-play-malware-used-phones-motion-sensors-to-conceal-itself/" rel="nofollow">Google Play malware used phones’ motion sensors to conceal itself</a></li>
<li>  D&amp;G This Week in Vendor Abandonment: <a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/04/googles-constant-product-shutdowns-are-damaging-its-brand/" rel="nofollow">Google’s constant product shutdowns are damaging its brand</a></li>
<li>  The Argument Dilution Effect: <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-drug-company-ads-downplay-risks/" rel="nofollow">How Drug Company Ads Downplay Risks</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.gq.com/story/how-to-read-good" rel="nofollow">How to Read 80ish Books a Year (And Actually Remember Them)</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-weeds" rel="nofollow">The Weeds Podcast</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/59xyan/watch-scientists-express-their-research-dance-your-phd-aaas" rel="nofollow">Watch Scientists Express Their Research in Interpretive Dances</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://thecleverest.com/judgefakepeople/" rel="nofollow">Hot or Not for fake people</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2018/10/18/Human-Blinders-Block-Out-Distractions/" rel="nofollow">Human Blinders Block Out Distractions</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about the risks of improperly testing malware, the risks of reading the wrong things, the risks of using Google services that haven’t been killed yet, and the risks of downplaying risk</p>

<ul>
<li>  Dave tries <a href="https://dgshow.org/162" rel="nofollow">Jabbrrbox</a></li>
<li>  Gunnar organizes <a href="https://todoist.com/r/gunnar_xbegbz" rel="nofollow">Todoist</a> by Meeting</li>
<li>  D&amp;G This Week in Irony: <a href="https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.5046925/man-angry-his-photo-was-used-to-prove-all-hipsters-look-alike-then-learns-it-wasn-t-him-1.5046933" rel="nofollow">Man angry his photo was used to prove all hipsters look alike — then learns it wasn&#39;t him</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/01/google-play-malware-used-phones-motion-sensors-to-conceal-itself/" rel="nofollow">Google Play malware used phones’ motion sensors to conceal itself</a></li>
<li>  D&amp;G This Week in Vendor Abandonment: <a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/04/googles-constant-product-shutdowns-are-damaging-its-brand/" rel="nofollow">Google’s constant product shutdowns are damaging its brand</a></li>
<li>  The Argument Dilution Effect: <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-drug-company-ads-downplay-risks/" rel="nofollow">How Drug Company Ads Downplay Risks</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.gq.com/story/how-to-read-good" rel="nofollow">How to Read 80ish Books a Year (And Actually Remember Them)</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-weeds" rel="nofollow">The Weeds Podcast</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/59xyan/watch-scientists-express-their-research-dance-your-phd-aaas" rel="nofollow">Watch Scientists Express Their Research in Interpretive Dances</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://thecleverest.com/judgefakepeople/" rel="nofollow">Hot or Not for fake people</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2018/10/18/Human-Blinders-Block-Out-Distractions/" rel="nofollow">Human Blinders Block Out Distractions</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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