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  <title>Episode 275: I'll Visit You in Jail</title>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about hidden signals in AI models and hidden signals in birds!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://github.com/ghelleks/email-labeler-agent" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Agentic Google App Scripts&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FakemusicBr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fake Music&lt;/a&gt;!&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPocWcaCMA4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Iron Man ( Soul/Funk) Version 2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-5xm2VsB8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Don't You (Forget About Me) ( Soul)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;See also: &lt;a href="https://www.allmusic.com/album/oy-to-the-world-a-klezmer-christmas-mw0000617319" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Klezmonauts -- Oy to the World: A Klezmer Christmas&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Subliminal Learning: &lt;a href="https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Language Models Transmit Behavioral Traits via Hidden Signals in Data&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-foes-get-worse-results-using-deepseek-research-suggests-crowdstrike-finds-nearly-twice-as-many-flaws-in-ai-generated-code-for-is-falun-gong-tibet-and-taiwan" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;China foes get worse results using DeepSeek, research suggests — CrowdStrike finds nearly twice as many flaws in AI-generated code for IS, Falun Gong, Tibet, and Taiwan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/07/29/avif-the-avian-image-format/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;AVIF: The Avian Image Format&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DiWHY/comments/1mlrl4q/i_made_headphones_with_integrated_cd_player/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;I made headphones with integrated CD player, remote control, battery, disc storage, and jewel box compartment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://cedardb.com/blog/doomql/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Building a DOOM-like multiplayer shooter in pure SQL&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://phishyurl.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Phishy URL&lt;/a&gt;: Are your links not malicious looking enough?&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;See also: &lt;a href="https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;amp;firewall=exploit&amp;amp;id=c280" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;amp;amp;firewall=exploit&amp;amp;amp;id=c280&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;URL Lengthener&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;See also: &lt;a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/%F0%9F%94%A5/the/%F0%9F%98%B5%E2%80%8D%F0%9F%92%AB/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
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  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about hidden signals in AI models and hidden signals in birds!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ghelleks/email-labeler-agent" rel="nofollow">Agentic Google App Scripts</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FakemusicBr" rel="nofollow">Fake Music</a>!<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPocWcaCMA4" rel="nofollow">Iron Man ( Soul/Funk) Version 2</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-5xm2VsB8" rel="nofollow">Don&#39;t You (Forget About Me) ( Soul)</a></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.allmusic.com/album/oy-to-the-world-a-klezmer-christmas-mw0000617319" rel="nofollow">The Klezmonauts -- Oy to the World: A Klezmer Christmas</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Subliminal Learning: <a href="https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/" rel="nofollow">Language Models Transmit Behavioral Traits via Hidden Signals in Data</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-foes-get-worse-results-using-deepseek-research-suggests-crowdstrike-finds-nearly-twice-as-many-flaws-in-ai-generated-code-for-is-falun-gong-tibet-and-taiwan" rel="nofollow">China foes get worse results using DeepSeek, research suggests — CrowdStrike finds nearly twice as many flaws in AI-generated code for IS, Falun Gong, Tibet, and Taiwan</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/07/29/avif-the-avian-image-format/" rel="nofollow">AVIF: The Avian Image Format</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DiWHY/comments/1mlrl4q/i_made_headphones_with_integrated_cd_player/" rel="nofollow">I made headphones with integrated CD player, remote control, battery, disc storage, and jewel box compartment</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://cedardb.com/blog/doomql/" rel="nofollow">Building a DOOM-like multiplayer shooter in pure SQL</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://phishyurl.com/" rel="nofollow">Phishy URL</a>: Are your links not malicious looking enough?<br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&firewall=exploit&id=c280" rel="nofollow">https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;firewall=exploit&amp;id=c280</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener" rel="nofollow">URL Lengthener</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/%F0%9F%94%A5/the/%F0%9F%98%B5%E2%80%8D%F0%9F%92%AB/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG" rel="nofollow">https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about hidden signals in AI models and hidden signals in birds!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ghelleks/email-labeler-agent" rel="nofollow">Agentic Google App Scripts</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FakemusicBr" rel="nofollow">Fake Music</a>!<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPocWcaCMA4" rel="nofollow">Iron Man ( Soul/Funk) Version 2</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-5xm2VsB8" rel="nofollow">Don&#39;t You (Forget About Me) ( Soul)</a></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.allmusic.com/album/oy-to-the-world-a-klezmer-christmas-mw0000617319" rel="nofollow">The Klezmonauts -- Oy to the World: A Klezmer Christmas</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Subliminal Learning: <a href="https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/" rel="nofollow">Language Models Transmit Behavioral Traits via Hidden Signals in Data</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-foes-get-worse-results-using-deepseek-research-suggests-crowdstrike-finds-nearly-twice-as-many-flaws-in-ai-generated-code-for-is-falun-gong-tibet-and-taiwan" rel="nofollow">China foes get worse results using DeepSeek, research suggests — CrowdStrike finds nearly twice as many flaws in AI-generated code for IS, Falun Gong, Tibet, and Taiwan</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/07/29/avif-the-avian-image-format/" rel="nofollow">AVIF: The Avian Image Format</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DiWHY/comments/1mlrl4q/i_made_headphones_with_integrated_cd_player/" rel="nofollow">I made headphones with integrated CD player, remote control, battery, disc storage, and jewel box compartment</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://cedardb.com/blog/doomql/" rel="nofollow">Building a DOOM-like multiplayer shooter in pure SQL</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://phishyurl.com/" rel="nofollow">Phishy URL</a>: Are your links not malicious looking enough?<br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&firewall=exploit&id=c280" rel="nofollow">https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;firewall=exploit&amp;id=c280</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener" rel="nofollow">URL Lengthener</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/%F0%9F%94%A5/the/%F0%9F%98%B5%E2%80%8D%F0%9F%92%AB/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG" rel="nofollow">https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>]]>
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