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    <title>Dave &amp; Gunnar Show - Episodes Tagged with “China”</title>
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    <pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
    <description>David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.
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    <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
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  <title>Episode 203: Who are you following and who's following you?</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave talks with Andrea Hall about keeping kids and adults safe on the internet and the pros and cons of end-to-end encryption from all angles!</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>37:13</itunes:duration>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; talks with &lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrea-h-62363b1a2/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Andrea Hall&lt;/a&gt; about keeping kids and adults safe on the internet and the pros and cons of end-to-end encryption from all angles!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/07/25/beware-tiktok-really-is-spying-on-you-new-security-report-update-trump-pompeo-china-warning/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Is TikTok Spying On You For China?&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/tech/tiktok-chinese-media-intl-hnk/index.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Is the US trying to steal TikTok?&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/politics/trump-executive-order-tiktok/index.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Trump issues orders banning TikTok and WeChat from operating in 45 days if they are not sold by Chinese parent companies&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/facebook-privacy-settings/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/tjmccue/2020/02/13/is-tiktok-raiding-your-privacy-in-2020-here-is-how-to-stop-it/#460f12a269c8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;, and you (and your kids)

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.bark.us/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Bark&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.projectvic.org/our-work/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Project VIC&lt;/a&gt;: A 501(c)(3) nonprofit helping to identify and rescue children from sexual exploitation, globally. Donations help save kids!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.missingkids.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;National Center for Missing and Exploited Children&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.kidsmartz.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;KidSmartz&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v7gd9b/facebook-helped-fbi-hack-child-predator-buster-hernandez" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Facebook Helped the FBI Hack a Child Predator&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  Encryption != privacy(?): &lt;a href="https://www.mcafee.com/blogs/other-blogs/mcafee-labs/operation-north-star-a-job-offer-thats-too-good-to-be-true/?hilite=%27north%27%2C%27star%27" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Operation (노스 스타) North Star A Job Offer That’s Too Good to be True?&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/510519-nsa-warns-of-security-threats-from-mobile-location-data" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;NSA warns of security threats from mobile device data&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.itproportal.com/features/why-end-to-end-encryption-laws-matter-to-all-of-us/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Why end-to-end encryption laws matter to all of us&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We Give Thanks&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrea-h-62363b1a2/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Andrea Hall&lt;/a&gt; for being our special guest star! Special Guest: Andrea Hall.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>TikTok, China, WeChat, Facebook, Bark, Project VIC, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, KidSmartz, Tails, encryption, end-to-end encryption, privacy, North Korea, LinkedIn, mobile location data</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> talks with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrea-h-62363b1a2/" rel="nofollow">Andrea Hall</a> about keeping kids and adults safe on the internet and the pros and cons of end-to-end encryption from all angles!</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/07/25/beware-tiktok-really-is-spying-on-you-new-security-report-update-trump-pompeo-china-warning/" rel="nofollow">Is TikTok Spying On You For China?</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/tech/tiktok-chinese-media-intl-hnk/index.html" rel="nofollow">Is the US trying to steal TikTok?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/politics/trump-executive-order-tiktok/index.html" rel="nofollow">Trump issues orders banning TikTok and WeChat from operating in 45 days if they are not sold by Chinese parent companies</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/facebook-privacy-settings/" rel="nofollow">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/tjmccue/2020/02/13/is-tiktok-raiding-your-privacy-in-2020-here-is-how-to-stop-it/#460f12a269c8" rel="nofollow">TikTok</a>, and you (and your kids)

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.bark.us/" rel="nofollow">Bark</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.projectvic.org/our-work/" rel="nofollow">Project VIC</a>: A 501(c)(3) nonprofit helping to identify and rescue children from sexual exploitation, globally. Donations help save kids!</li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.missingkids.org/" rel="nofollow">National Center for Missing and Exploited Children</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.kidsmartz.org/" rel="nofollow">KidSmartz</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v7gd9b/facebook-helped-fbi-hack-child-predator-buster-hernandez" rel="nofollow">Facebook Helped the FBI Hack a Child Predator</a></li>
<li>  Encryption != privacy(?): <a href="https://www.mcafee.com/blogs/other-blogs/mcafee-labs/operation-north-star-a-job-offer-thats-too-good-to-be-true/?hilite=%27north%27%2C%27star%27" rel="nofollow">Operation (노스 스타) North Star A Job Offer That’s Too Good to be True?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/510519-nsa-warns-of-security-threats-from-mobile-location-data" rel="nofollow">NSA warns of security threats from mobile device data</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.itproportal.com/features/why-end-to-end-encryption-laws-matter-to-all-of-us/" rel="nofollow">Why end-to-end encryption laws matter to all of us</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrea-h-62363b1a2/" rel="nofollow">Andrea Hall</a> for being our special guest star!</li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Andrea Hall.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> talks with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrea-h-62363b1a2/" rel="nofollow">Andrea Hall</a> about keeping kids and adults safe on the internet and the pros and cons of end-to-end encryption from all angles!</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/07/25/beware-tiktok-really-is-spying-on-you-new-security-report-update-trump-pompeo-china-warning/" rel="nofollow">Is TikTok Spying On You For China?</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/tech/tiktok-chinese-media-intl-hnk/index.html" rel="nofollow">Is the US trying to steal TikTok?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/politics/trump-executive-order-tiktok/index.html" rel="nofollow">Trump issues orders banning TikTok and WeChat from operating in 45 days if they are not sold by Chinese parent companies</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/facebook-privacy-settings/" rel="nofollow">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/tjmccue/2020/02/13/is-tiktok-raiding-your-privacy-in-2020-here-is-how-to-stop-it/#460f12a269c8" rel="nofollow">TikTok</a>, and you (and your kids)

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.bark.us/" rel="nofollow">Bark</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.projectvic.org/our-work/" rel="nofollow">Project VIC</a>: A 501(c)(3) nonprofit helping to identify and rescue children from sexual exploitation, globally. Donations help save kids!</li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.missingkids.org/" rel="nofollow">National Center for Missing and Exploited Children</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.kidsmartz.org/" rel="nofollow">KidSmartz</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v7gd9b/facebook-helped-fbi-hack-child-predator-buster-hernandez" rel="nofollow">Facebook Helped the FBI Hack a Child Predator</a></li>
<li>  Encryption != privacy(?): <a href="https://www.mcafee.com/blogs/other-blogs/mcafee-labs/operation-north-star-a-job-offer-thats-too-good-to-be-true/?hilite=%27north%27%2C%27star%27" rel="nofollow">Operation (노스 스타) North Star A Job Offer That’s Too Good to be True?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/510519-nsa-warns-of-security-threats-from-mobile-location-data" rel="nofollow">NSA warns of security threats from mobile device data</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.itproportal.com/features/why-end-to-end-encryption-laws-matter-to-all-of-us/" rel="nofollow">Why end-to-end encryption laws matter to all of us</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrea-h-62363b1a2/" rel="nofollow">Andrea Hall</a> for being our special guest star!</li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Andrea Hall.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 185: In Your Brain, Nobody Can Hear You Scream</title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2019 06:00:00 -0600</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about reviving pig brains from the dead, making human-monkey chimeras, and whether we should be doing either</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>35:42</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about reviving pig brains from the dead, making human-monkey chimeras, and whether we should be doing either&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  Dave wears &lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6585135922847760384/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;makeup&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  See Dave w/makeup on the &lt;a href="https://www.ibm.com/cloud/government/virtualsummitagenda" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;IBM Government Cloud Virtual Summit Agenda - Special Hybrid Cloud Edition&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://concepts.app/en/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Concepts&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_War_of_Mine" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;This War of Mine&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Courses" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Great Courses&lt;/a&gt; at Gunnar's library!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  Viewer mail: &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/johnmscott" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;John Scott&lt;/a&gt; writes on &lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6568144945134264321/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt; “The Chinese tried to do the same thing via Red Flag Linux (&lt;a href="https://lnkd.in/ev_aKQd" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://lnkd.in/ev_aKQd&lt;/a&gt;) - it didn't work. I would bet &lt;a href="https://www.itweb.co.za/content/RgeVDMPolnd7KJN3" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; won't either, just way too much embedded IP in Android. + the Chinese way will be to blatantly rip off parts of the Android code base, meaning that down stream companies could be sued for IP violation by Google and others. Gunnar Hellekson David Egts might have some thoughts…”&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  Follow up from &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/165" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;D&amp;amp;G 165&lt;/a&gt;… BrainEx: &lt;a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/magazine/dead-pig-brains-reanimation.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Scientists Are Giving Dead Brains New Life. What Could Go Wrong?&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  See also: &lt;a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01168-9" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Part-revived pig brains raise slew of ethical quandaries&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/it-just-really-ethically-scares-me-caution-urged-as-scientists-look-to-create-human-monkey-chimeras" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;'It just really ethically scares me': Caution urged as scientists look to create human-monkey chimeras&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  Palate cleanser: &lt;a href="https://www.wired.com/story/this-robot-fish-powers-itself-with-fake-blood/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;This Robot Fish Powers Itself With Fake Blood&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-gun-shaped-cell-phone-case-police-20190605-story.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Police warn against using gun-shaped cellphone cases after traffic stop encounter; cases are banned in Chicago&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://gizmodo.com/honestly-a-video-game-that-strands-you-on-a-boring-six-1839717598" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Honestly, a Video Game That Strands You On a Boring Six-Hour Flight Is Just What I Need Right Now&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We Give Thanks&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/johnmscott" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;John Scott&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>makeup, Concepts, This War of Mine, The Great Courses, China, BrainEx, pig brains, human-monkey chimeras, robot fish, robot blood, gun-shaped cell phone cases, Airplane Mode</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about reviving pig brains from the dead, making human-monkey chimeras, and whether we should be doing either</p>

<ul>
<li>  Dave wears <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6585135922847760384/" rel="nofollow">makeup</a>

<ul>
<li>  See Dave w/makeup on the <a href="https://www.ibm.com/cloud/government/virtualsummitagenda" rel="nofollow">IBM Government Cloud Virtual Summit Agenda - Special Hybrid Cloud Edition</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://concepts.app/en/" rel="nofollow">Concepts</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_War_of_Mine" rel="nofollow">This War of Mine</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Courses" rel="nofollow">The Great Courses</a> at Gunnar&#39;s library!</li>
<li>  Viewer mail: <a href="https://twitter.com/johnmscott" rel="nofollow">John Scott</a> writes on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6568144945134264321/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a> “The Chinese tried to do the same thing via Red Flag Linux (<a href="https://lnkd.in/ev_aKQd" rel="nofollow">https://lnkd.in/ev_aKQd</a>) - it didn&#39;t work. I would bet <a href="https://www.itweb.co.za/content/RgeVDMPolnd7KJN3" rel="nofollow">this</a> won&#39;t either, just way too much embedded IP in Android. + the Chinese way will be to blatantly rip off parts of the Android code base, meaning that down stream companies could be sued for IP violation by Google and others. Gunnar Hellekson David Egts might have some thoughts…”</li>
<li>  Follow up from <a href="https://dgshow.org/165" rel="nofollow">D&amp;G 165</a>… BrainEx: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/magazine/dead-pig-brains-reanimation.html" rel="nofollow">Scientists Are Giving Dead Brains New Life. What Could Go Wrong?</a>

<ul>
<li>  See also: <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01168-9" rel="nofollow">Part-revived pig brains raise slew of ethical quandaries</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/it-just-really-ethically-scares-me-caution-urged-as-scientists-look-to-create-human-monkey-chimeras" rel="nofollow">&#39;It just really ethically scares me&#39;: Caution urged as scientists look to create human-monkey chimeras</a></li>
<li>  Palate cleanser: <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/this-robot-fish-powers-itself-with-fake-blood/" rel="nofollow">This Robot Fish Powers Itself With Fake Blood</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-gun-shaped-cell-phone-case-police-20190605-story.html" rel="nofollow">Police warn against using gun-shaped cellphone cases after traffic stop encounter; cases are banned in Chicago</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://gizmodo.com/honestly-a-video-game-that-strands-you-on-a-boring-six-1839717598" rel="nofollow">Honestly, a Video Game That Strands You On a Boring Six-Hour Flight Is Just What I Need Right Now</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/johnmscott" rel="nofollow">John Scott</a></li>
<li>  The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about reviving pig brains from the dead, making human-monkey chimeras, and whether we should be doing either</p>

<ul>
<li>  Dave wears <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6585135922847760384/" rel="nofollow">makeup</a>

<ul>
<li>  See Dave w/makeup on the <a href="https://www.ibm.com/cloud/government/virtualsummitagenda" rel="nofollow">IBM Government Cloud Virtual Summit Agenda - Special Hybrid Cloud Edition</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://concepts.app/en/" rel="nofollow">Concepts</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_War_of_Mine" rel="nofollow">This War of Mine</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Courses" rel="nofollow">The Great Courses</a> at Gunnar&#39;s library!</li>
<li>  Viewer mail: <a href="https://twitter.com/johnmscott" rel="nofollow">John Scott</a> writes on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6568144945134264321/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a> “The Chinese tried to do the same thing via Red Flag Linux (<a href="https://lnkd.in/ev_aKQd" rel="nofollow">https://lnkd.in/ev_aKQd</a>) - it didn&#39;t work. I would bet <a href="https://www.itweb.co.za/content/RgeVDMPolnd7KJN3" rel="nofollow">this</a> won&#39;t either, just way too much embedded IP in Android. + the Chinese way will be to blatantly rip off parts of the Android code base, meaning that down stream companies could be sued for IP violation by Google and others. Gunnar Hellekson David Egts might have some thoughts…”</li>
<li>  Follow up from <a href="https://dgshow.org/165" rel="nofollow">D&amp;G 165</a>… BrainEx: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/magazine/dead-pig-brains-reanimation.html" rel="nofollow">Scientists Are Giving Dead Brains New Life. What Could Go Wrong?</a>

<ul>
<li>  See also: <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01168-9" rel="nofollow">Part-revived pig brains raise slew of ethical quandaries</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/it-just-really-ethically-scares-me-caution-urged-as-scientists-look-to-create-human-monkey-chimeras" rel="nofollow">&#39;It just really ethically scares me&#39;: Caution urged as scientists look to create human-monkey chimeras</a></li>
<li>  Palate cleanser: <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/this-robot-fish-powers-itself-with-fake-blood/" rel="nofollow">This Robot Fish Powers Itself With Fake Blood</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-gun-shaped-cell-phone-case-police-20190605-story.html" rel="nofollow">Police warn against using gun-shaped cellphone cases after traffic stop encounter; cases are banned in Chicago</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://gizmodo.com/honestly-a-video-game-that-strands-you-on-a-boring-six-1839717598" rel="nofollow">Honestly, a Video Game That Strands You On a Boring Six-Hour Flight Is Just What I Need Right Now</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/johnmscott" rel="nofollow">John Scott</a></li>
<li>  The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
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  <title>Episode 182: Stochastic Fakery</title>
  <link>https://dgshow.org/182</link>
  <guid isPermaLink="false">c67c9b55-2a39-421b-b63d-ef2b4f2deca9</guid>
  <pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/1b67eddd-d80f-444d-ba32-aa9ef36b589d/c67c9b55-2a39-421b-b63d-ef2b4f2deca9.mp3" length="13403032" type="audio/mp3"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about faking faces, faking friends, faking holes, faking dominance, and faking work</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>27:54</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/1/1b67eddd-d80f-444d-ba32-aa9ef36b589d/episodes/c/c67c9b55-2a39-421b-b63d-ef2b4f2deca9/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about faking faces, faking friends, faking holes, faking dominance, and faking work&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Stochastic terrorism&lt;/a&gt;: Deplatforming 8chan, the First Amendment, the Communications Decency Act, and accountability&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.wired.com/story/artificial-intelligence-fake-fakes/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Artificial Intelligence Is Coming for Our Faces&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="http://www.whichfaceisreal.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Which Face Is Real?&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://grover.allenai.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;GROVER — A State-of-the-Art Defense against Neural Fake News&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="http://gltr.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Catching a Unicorn with GLTR: A tool to detect automatically generated text&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.apnews.com/bc2f19097a4c4fffaa00de6770b8a60d" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Experts: Spy used AI-generated face to connect with targets&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/24/nvidia-ai-fixes-photos/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;NVIDIA's AI fixes photos by recognizing what's missing&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Censorship of images in the Soviet Union&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://datagrid.co.jp/en/all/release/386/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Development of "whole body model automatic generation AI" which generates whole body image of non-existent person&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/china-has-unveiled-its-first-female-ai-news-anchor-1.828533" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;China has unveiled its 'first female AI news anchor'&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://speech2face.github.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Speech2Face: Learning the Face Behind a Voice&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2019/06/18/Want-to-Look-Dominant-Tilt-Your-Head-Down-Study-Says/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Want to Look Dominant? Tilt Your Head Down, Study Says&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3078643/netflix-hangouts-chrome-extension-helps-lazy-f-ks-binge-shows-at-work" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;'Netflix Hangouts' Chrome extension helps skivers binge shows at work&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2019/07/02/hov-lane-las-vegas-hearse-does-dead-body-count-carpool/1629131001/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Highway patrol pulls over hearse in Las Vegas high-occupancy vehicle lane. Is the body an occupant?&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  &lt;a href="https://www.unnecessaryinventions.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Unnecessary Inventions&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We Give Thanks&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;  The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>stochastic terrorism, 8chan, AI, artificial intelligence, espionage, fake news, censorship, China, Speech2Face, dominance, Neflix, video conferencing, HOV, Unnecessary Inventions</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about faking faces, faking friends, faking holes, faking dominance, and faking work</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism" rel="nofollow">Stochastic terrorism</a>: Deplatforming 8chan, the First Amendment, the Communications Decency Act, and accountability</li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/artificial-intelligence-fake-fakes/" rel="nofollow">Artificial Intelligence Is Coming for Our Faces</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="http://www.whichfaceisreal.com/" rel="nofollow">Which Face Is Real?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://grover.allenai.org/" rel="nofollow">GROVER — A State-of-the-Art Defense against Neural Fake News</a></li>
<li>  <a href="http://gltr.io/" rel="nofollow">Catching a Unicorn with GLTR: A tool to detect automatically generated text</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.apnews.com/bc2f19097a4c4fffaa00de6770b8a60d" rel="nofollow">Experts: Spy used AI-generated face to connect with targets</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/24/nvidia-ai-fixes-photos/" rel="nofollow">NVIDIA&#39;s AI fixes photos by recognizing what&#39;s missing</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union" rel="nofollow">Censorship of images in the Soviet Union</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://datagrid.co.jp/en/all/release/386/" rel="nofollow">Development of &quot;whole body model automatic generation AI&quot; which generates whole body image of non-existent person</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/china-has-unveiled-its-first-female-ai-news-anchor-1.828533" rel="nofollow">China has unveiled its &#39;first female AI news anchor&#39;</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://speech2face.github.io/" rel="nofollow">Speech2Face: Learning the Face Behind a Voice</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2019/06/18/Want-to-Look-Dominant-Tilt-Your-Head-Down-Study-Says/" rel="nofollow">Want to Look Dominant? Tilt Your Head Down, Study Says</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3078643/netflix-hangouts-chrome-extension-helps-lazy-f-ks-binge-shows-at-work" rel="nofollow">&#39;Netflix Hangouts&#39; Chrome extension helps skivers binge shows at work</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2019/07/02/hov-lane-las-vegas-hearse-does-dead-body-count-carpool/1629131001/" rel="nofollow">Highway patrol pulls over hearse in Las Vegas high-occupancy vehicle lane. Is the body an occupant?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.unnecessaryinventions.com/" rel="nofollow">Unnecessary Inventions</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about faking faces, faking friends, faking holes, faking dominance, and faking work</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism" rel="nofollow">Stochastic terrorism</a>: Deplatforming 8chan, the First Amendment, the Communications Decency Act, and accountability</li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/artificial-intelligence-fake-fakes/" rel="nofollow">Artificial Intelligence Is Coming for Our Faces</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="http://www.whichfaceisreal.com/" rel="nofollow">Which Face Is Real?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://grover.allenai.org/" rel="nofollow">GROVER — A State-of-the-Art Defense against Neural Fake News</a></li>
<li>  <a href="http://gltr.io/" rel="nofollow">Catching a Unicorn with GLTR: A tool to detect automatically generated text</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.apnews.com/bc2f19097a4c4fffaa00de6770b8a60d" rel="nofollow">Experts: Spy used AI-generated face to connect with targets</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/24/nvidia-ai-fixes-photos/" rel="nofollow">NVIDIA&#39;s AI fixes photos by recognizing what&#39;s missing</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union" rel="nofollow">Censorship of images in the Soviet Union</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://datagrid.co.jp/en/all/release/386/" rel="nofollow">Development of &quot;whole body model automatic generation AI&quot; which generates whole body image of non-existent person</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/china-has-unveiled-its-first-female-ai-news-anchor-1.828533" rel="nofollow">China has unveiled its &#39;first female AI news anchor&#39;</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://speech2face.github.io/" rel="nofollow">Speech2Face: Learning the Face Behind a Voice</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2019/06/18/Want-to-Look-Dominant-Tilt-Your-Head-Down-Study-Says/" rel="nofollow">Want to Look Dominant? Tilt Your Head Down, Study Says</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3078643/netflix-hangouts-chrome-extension-helps-lazy-f-ks-binge-shows-at-work" rel="nofollow">&#39;Netflix Hangouts&#39; Chrome extension helps skivers binge shows at work</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2019/07/02/hov-lane-las-vegas-hearse-does-dead-body-count-carpool/1629131001/" rel="nofollow">Highway patrol pulls over hearse in Las Vegas high-occupancy vehicle lane. Is the body an occupant?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.unnecessaryinventions.com/" rel="nofollow">Unnecessary Inventions</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
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<item>
  <title>Episode 169: Pushing the Envelope</title>
  <link>https://dgshow.org/169</link>
  <guid isPermaLink="false">8c596a8c-7f42-4bb4-822a-78b99166abbb</guid>
  <pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2018 06:00:00 -0600</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/1b67eddd-d80f-444d-ba32-aa9ef36b589d/8c596a8c-7f42-4bb4-822a-78b99166abbb.mp3" length="18825217" type="audio/mp3"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about: Chinese industry helping the Chinese government, the Chinese helping US state governments, some dude helping himself to UPS’s mail, and some other dude being no help to American Airlines</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>39:12</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/1/1b67eddd-d80f-444d-ba32-aa9ef36b589d/episodes/8/8c596a8c-7f42-4bb4-822a-78b99166abbb/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about: Chinese industry helping the Chinese government, the Chinese helping US state governments, some dude helping himself to UPS’s mail, and some other dude being no help to American Airlines&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/powering-its-future-while-preserving-present-introducing-red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-beta" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Powering IT’s future while preserving the present: Introducing Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8 Beta&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-continues-drive-more-secure-enterprise-it-re-certifies-red-hat-enterprise-linux-fips-140-2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Red Hat Continues Drive for More Secure Enterprise IT, Re-Certifies Red Hat Enterprise Linux for FIPS 140-2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.wral.com/at-china-s-internet-conference-a-darker-side-of-tech-emerges/17980101/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;At China’s Internet Conference, a Darker Side of Tech Emerges&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.lawfareblog.com/topic/lawfare-podcast" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Lawfare Podcast&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/state-govts-warned-of-malware-laden-cd-sent-via-snail-mail-from-china/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;State Govts. Warned of Malware-Laden CD Sent Via Snail Mail from China&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-ups-scam-investigation-20180417-story.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Change-of-address scam moved UPS corporate headquarters to tiny Rogers Park apartment, feds say&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/brittainladd/2018/11/08/pushing-the-envelope-how-ride-sharing-retail-and-food-can-transform-american-airlines/#520158b8197e" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Pushing The Envelope: How American Airlines Can Become The Amazon Of The Sky And The Next Uber&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://flashbak.com/30-old-and-unsettling-photographs-of-ventriloquist-dummies-405063/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;30 Old and Unsettling Photographs of Ventriloquist Dummies&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://flashbak.com/30-album-covers-featuring-those-frightening-clowns-404298/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;30 Album Covers Featuring Those Frightening Clowns&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2018/10/12/A-Flickr-Pool-Dedicated-to-Control-Panels/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;A Flickr Pool Dedicated to Control Panels&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We Give Thanks&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>RHEL, RHEL 8, FIPS, China, Lawfare, malware, UPS, American Airlines, Forbes</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about: Chinese industry helping the Chinese government, the Chinese helping US state governments, some dude helping himself to UPS’s mail, and some other dude being no help to American Airlines</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/powering-its-future-while-preserving-present-introducing-red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-beta" rel="nofollow">Powering IT’s future while preserving the present: Introducing Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8 Beta</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-continues-drive-more-secure-enterprise-it-re-certifies-red-hat-enterprise-linux-fips-140-2" rel="nofollow">Red Hat Continues Drive for More Secure Enterprise IT, Re-Certifies Red Hat Enterprise Linux for FIPS 140-2</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wral.com/at-china-s-internet-conference-a-darker-side-of-tech-emerges/17980101/" rel="nofollow">At China’s Internet Conference, a Darker Side of Tech Emerges</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.lawfareblog.com/topic/lawfare-podcast" rel="nofollow">The Lawfare Podcast</a></li>
<li><a href="https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/state-govts-warned-of-malware-laden-cd-sent-via-snail-mail-from-china/" rel="nofollow">State Govts. Warned of Malware-Laden CD Sent Via Snail Mail from China</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-ups-scam-investigation-20180417-story.html" rel="nofollow">Change-of-address scam moved UPS corporate headquarters to tiny Rogers Park apartment, feds say</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/brittainladd/2018/11/08/pushing-the-envelope-how-ride-sharing-retail-and-food-can-transform-american-airlines/#520158b8197e" rel="nofollow">Pushing The Envelope: How American Airlines Can Become The Amazon Of The Sky And The Next Uber</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://flashbak.com/30-old-and-unsettling-photographs-of-ventriloquist-dummies-405063/" rel="nofollow">30 Old and Unsettling Photographs of Ventriloquist Dummies</a></li>
<li><a href="https://flashbak.com/30-album-covers-featuring-those-frightening-clowns-404298/" rel="nofollow">30 Album Covers Featuring Those Frightening Clowns</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2018/10/12/A-Flickr-Pool-Dedicated-to-Control-Panels/" rel="nofollow">A Flickr Pool Dedicated to Control Panels</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about: Chinese industry helping the Chinese government, the Chinese helping US state governments, some dude helping himself to UPS’s mail, and some other dude being no help to American Airlines</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/powering-its-future-while-preserving-present-introducing-red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-beta" rel="nofollow">Powering IT’s future while preserving the present: Introducing Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8 Beta</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-continues-drive-more-secure-enterprise-it-re-certifies-red-hat-enterprise-linux-fips-140-2" rel="nofollow">Red Hat Continues Drive for More Secure Enterprise IT, Re-Certifies Red Hat Enterprise Linux for FIPS 140-2</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wral.com/at-china-s-internet-conference-a-darker-side-of-tech-emerges/17980101/" rel="nofollow">At China’s Internet Conference, a Darker Side of Tech Emerges</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.lawfareblog.com/topic/lawfare-podcast" rel="nofollow">The Lawfare Podcast</a></li>
<li><a href="https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/state-govts-warned-of-malware-laden-cd-sent-via-snail-mail-from-china/" rel="nofollow">State Govts. Warned of Malware-Laden CD Sent Via Snail Mail from China</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-ups-scam-investigation-20180417-story.html" rel="nofollow">Change-of-address scam moved UPS corporate headquarters to tiny Rogers Park apartment, feds say</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/brittainladd/2018/11/08/pushing-the-envelope-how-ride-sharing-retail-and-food-can-transform-american-airlines/#520158b8197e" rel="nofollow">Pushing The Envelope: How American Airlines Can Become The Amazon Of The Sky And The Next Uber</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://flashbak.com/30-old-and-unsettling-photographs-of-ventriloquist-dummies-405063/" rel="nofollow">30 Old and Unsettling Photographs of Ventriloquist Dummies</a></li>
<li><a href="https://flashbak.com/30-album-covers-featuring-those-frightening-clowns-404298/" rel="nofollow">30 Album Covers Featuring Those Frightening Clowns</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2018/10/12/A-Flickr-Pool-Dedicated-to-Control-Panels/" rel="nofollow">A Flickr Pool Dedicated to Control Panels</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 165: If you can’t measure it, you can’t manage it</title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2018 07:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about China. That’s all. Just China.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>42:56</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/1/1b67eddd-d80f-444d-ba32-aa9ef36b589d/episodes/a/a24b4d35-67f8-4971-afd0-441e8c2bfcc9/cover.jpg?v=2"/>
  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about China. That’s all. Just China.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-12-preview/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;iOS 12 Preview&lt;/a&gt; tracking of activity: good!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Google My Activity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/13/china-cars-rfid-monitoring-surveillance/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;China will start using car surveillance system in July, says WSJ&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.popsci.com/article/diy/ezpass-hack-covert-scanning" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Hack Your E-ZPass So It Alerts You Whenever It's Scanned&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2144690/chinese-debtors-shamed-broadcast-names-and-faces-giant-screens" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Chinese debtors shamed with broadcast of names and faces on giant screens on May 1 holiday&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/2138960/jaywalkers-under-surveillance-shenzhen-soon-be-punished-text" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Jaywalkers under surveillance in Shenzhen soon to be punished via text messages&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The panopticon meets the &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Broken Windows Theory&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/17/chinese-school-uses-facial-recognition-monitor-student-attention/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Chinese school uses facial recognition to monitor student attention in class&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;See tweet with images &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/996755673093292032" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;See also: &lt;a href="https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/facepause-chrome-extension-pauses-a-youtube-video-when-you-look-away/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;FacePause Chrome Extension Pauses a YouTube Video When You Look Away&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2143899/forget-facebook-leak-china-mining-data-directly-workers-brains" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;‘Forget the Facebook leak’: China is mining data directly from workers’ brains on an industrial scale&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Almost-related, almost palate cleanser 1: &lt;a href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/05/researchers-claim-to-have-transferred-a-memory-between-two-sea-slugs/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Researchers claim to have transferred a memory between two sea slugs&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Almost-related, almost palate cleanser 2: &lt;a href="https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611007/researchers-are-keeping-pig-brains-alive-outside-the-body/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Researchers are keeping pig brains alive outside the body&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;See also:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brain_That_Wouldn%27t_Die" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Brain That Wouldn’t Die&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Got_His_Gun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Johnny Got His Gun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;One&lt;/a&gt; by Metallica&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/17/its-friday-so-relax-and-watch-a-hard-drive-defrag-forever-on-twitch/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;It’s Friday so relax and watch a hard drive defrag forever on Twitch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We Give Thanks&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>China, iOS, Google My Activity, E-ZPass, social credit score, billboards, jaywalking, Broken Windows Theory, facial recognition, sea slugs, pig brains, Johnny Got His Gun, Metallica, defragmentation, Twitch</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about China. That’s all. Just China.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-12-preview/" rel="nofollow">iOS 12 Preview</a> tracking of activity: good!</li>
<li><a href="https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity" rel="nofollow">Google My Activity</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/13/china-cars-rfid-monitoring-surveillance/" rel="nofollow">China will start using car surveillance system in July, says WSJ</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.popsci.com/article/diy/ezpass-hack-covert-scanning" rel="nofollow">Hack Your E-ZPass So It Alerts You Whenever It&#39;s Scanned</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2144690/chinese-debtors-shamed-broadcast-names-and-faces-giant-screens" rel="nofollow">Chinese debtors shamed with broadcast of names and faces on giant screens on May 1 holiday</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/2138960/jaywalkers-under-surveillance-shenzhen-soon-be-punished-text" rel="nofollow">Jaywalkers under surveillance in Shenzhen soon to be punished via text messages</a>

<ul>
<li>The panopticon meets the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory" rel="nofollow">Broken Windows Theory</a>?</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/17/chinese-school-uses-facial-recognition-monitor-student-attention/" rel="nofollow">Chinese school uses facial recognition to monitor student attention in class</a>

<ul>
<li>See tweet with images <a href="https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/996755673093292032" rel="nofollow">here</a></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/facepause-chrome-extension-pauses-a-youtube-video-when-you-look-away/" rel="nofollow">FacePause Chrome Extension Pauses a YouTube Video When You Look Away</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2143899/forget-facebook-leak-china-mining-data-directly-workers-brains" rel="nofollow">‘Forget the Facebook leak’: China is mining data directly from workers’ brains on an industrial scale</a></li>
<li>Almost-related, almost palate cleanser 1: <a href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/05/researchers-claim-to-have-transferred-a-memory-between-two-sea-slugs/" rel="nofollow">Researchers claim to have transferred a memory between two sea slugs</a></li>
<li>Almost-related, almost palate cleanser 2: <a href="https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611007/researchers-are-keeping-pig-brains-alive-outside-the-body/" rel="nofollow">Researchers are keeping pig brains alive outside the body</a>

<ul>
<li>See also:

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brain_That_Wouldn%27t_Die" rel="nofollow">The Brain That Wouldn’t Die</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Got_His_Gun" rel="nofollow">Johnny Got His Gun</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw" rel="nofollow">One</a> by Metallica</li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/17/its-friday-so-relax-and-watch-a-hard-drive-defrag-forever-on-twitch/" rel="nofollow">It’s Friday so relax and watch a hard drive defrag forever on Twitch</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about China. That’s all. Just China.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-12-preview/" rel="nofollow">iOS 12 Preview</a> tracking of activity: good!</li>
<li><a href="https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity" rel="nofollow">Google My Activity</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/13/china-cars-rfid-monitoring-surveillance/" rel="nofollow">China will start using car surveillance system in July, says WSJ</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.popsci.com/article/diy/ezpass-hack-covert-scanning" rel="nofollow">Hack Your E-ZPass So It Alerts You Whenever It&#39;s Scanned</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2144690/chinese-debtors-shamed-broadcast-names-and-faces-giant-screens" rel="nofollow">Chinese debtors shamed with broadcast of names and faces on giant screens on May 1 holiday</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/2138960/jaywalkers-under-surveillance-shenzhen-soon-be-punished-text" rel="nofollow">Jaywalkers under surveillance in Shenzhen soon to be punished via text messages</a>

<ul>
<li>The panopticon meets the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory" rel="nofollow">Broken Windows Theory</a>?</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/17/chinese-school-uses-facial-recognition-monitor-student-attention/" rel="nofollow">Chinese school uses facial recognition to monitor student attention in class</a>

<ul>
<li>See tweet with images <a href="https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/996755673093292032" rel="nofollow">here</a></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/facepause-chrome-extension-pauses-a-youtube-video-when-you-look-away/" rel="nofollow">FacePause Chrome Extension Pauses a YouTube Video When You Look Away</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2143899/forget-facebook-leak-china-mining-data-directly-workers-brains" rel="nofollow">‘Forget the Facebook leak’: China is mining data directly from workers’ brains on an industrial scale</a></li>
<li>Almost-related, almost palate cleanser 1: <a href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/05/researchers-claim-to-have-transferred-a-memory-between-two-sea-slugs/" rel="nofollow">Researchers claim to have transferred a memory between two sea slugs</a></li>
<li>Almost-related, almost palate cleanser 2: <a href="https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611007/researchers-are-keeping-pig-brains-alive-outside-the-body/" rel="nofollow">Researchers are keeping pig brains alive outside the body</a>

<ul>
<li>See also:

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brain_That_Wouldn%27t_Die" rel="nofollow">The Brain That Wouldn’t Die</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Got_His_Gun" rel="nofollow">Johnny Got His Gun</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw" rel="nofollow">One</a> by Metallica</li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/17/its-friday-so-relax-and-watch-a-hard-drive-defrag-forever-on-twitch/" rel="nofollow">It’s Friday so relax and watch a hard drive defrag forever on Twitch</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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