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    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2021 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
    <description>David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.
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  <title>Episode 225: Criminal Value Chain</title>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about backdoor innovation, gig economy innovation, and deep work retro innovation
Microsoft Natural Keyboards (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_ergonomic_keyboards) are not water-resistant
Mini Metro (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mini-metro/id837860959)
Critics Say Apple Built a 'Backdoor' Into Your iPhone With Its New Child Abuse Detection Tools (https://gizmodo.com/critics-say-apple-built-a-backdoor-into-your-iphone-wit-1847438624)
Related: The CEO of WhatsApp Attacked Apple Over Privacy. He Seems to Have Forgotten He Works for Facebook (https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/the-ceo-of-whatsapp-attacked-apple-over-privacy-he-seems-to-have-forgotten-he-works-for-facebook.html)
“The nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation also critical (https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/06/snowden-eff-slam-plan-to-scan-messages-images/) Apple’s plans, stating that “even a carefully documented, carefully thought out, close-range backdoor is still a backdoor.” – Apple publishes FAQ to address CSAM detection and message analysis issues (https://roxxcloud.com/apple-publishes-faq-to-address-csam-detection-and-message-analysis-issues/)
Citizen Wants to Pay You $25 an Hour to Be a Nightcrawler (https://gizmodo.com/citizen-wants-to-pay-you-25-an-hour-to-be-a-nightcrawl-1847363924)
Nightcrawler (film) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightcrawler_(film))
Vigilante app (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB6Sqhvm8l8) video
Photo App Turns Users Into Unwitting Spies (https://petapixel.com/2021/06/26/photo-app-turns-users-into-unwitting-spies-for-us-military/)
The Isolator: A 1925 Helmet Designed to Eliminate Distractions &amp;amp; Increase Productivity (Created by SciFi Pioneer Hugo Gernsback) (https://www.openculture.com/2021/05/the-isolator-a-1925-helmet-designed-to-eliminate-distractions.html)
Cutting Room Floor
* 20 Latin Insults You Should Know (https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/649087/latin-insults)
* Fake Tweet Generator (https://shashiirk.github.io/fake-tweet-generator/)
* Remote Work FTW: Logitech Has Released A Wireless Mouse That Works From 900 Miles Away (https://clickhole.com/remote-work-ftw-logitech-has-released-a-wireless-mouse-that-works-from-900-miles-away/)
We Give Thanks
* The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
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  <itunes:keywords>Microsoft Natural Keyboards, Mini Metro, Apple, backdoors, iMessage, iCloud, iCloud Photos, WhatsApp, EFF, Electronic Frontier Foundation, CSAM, Citizen, Nightcrawler, Vigilante, espionage, gig economy, The Isolator, Latin insults, Latin, fake tweet generator, wireless mice</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about backdoor innovation, gig economy innovation, and deep work retro innovation</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_ergonomic_keyboards" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Natural Keyboards</a> are not water-resistant</li>
<li><a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mini-metro/id837860959" rel="nofollow">Mini Metro</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/critics-say-apple-built-a-backdoor-into-your-iphone-wit-1847438624" rel="nofollow">Critics Say Apple Built a &#39;Backdoor&#39; Into Your iPhone With Its New Child Abuse Detection Tools</a>

<ul>
<li>Related: <a href="https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/the-ceo-of-whatsapp-attacked-apple-over-privacy-he-seems-to-have-forgotten-he-works-for-facebook.html" rel="nofollow">The CEO of WhatsApp Attacked Apple Over Privacy. He Seems to Have Forgotten He Works for Facebook</a>

<ul>
<li>“The nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation also <a href="https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/06/snowden-eff-slam-plan-to-scan-messages-images/" rel="nofollow">critical</a> Apple’s plans, stating that “even a carefully documented, carefully thought out, close-range backdoor is still a backdoor.” – <a href="https://roxxcloud.com/apple-publishes-faq-to-address-csam-detection-and-message-analysis-issues/" rel="nofollow">Apple publishes FAQ to address CSAM detection and message analysis issues</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/citizen-wants-to-pay-you-25-an-hour-to-be-a-nightcrawl-1847363924" rel="nofollow">Citizen Wants to Pay You $25 an Hour to Be a Nightcrawler</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightcrawler_(film)" rel="nofollow">Nightcrawler (film)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB6Sqhvm8l8" rel="nofollow">Vigilante app</a> video</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://petapixel.com/2021/06/26/photo-app-turns-users-into-unwitting-spies-for-us-military/" rel="nofollow">Photo App Turns Users Into Unwitting Spies</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.openculture.com/2021/05/the-isolator-a-1925-helmet-designed-to-eliminate-distractions.html" rel="nofollow">The Isolator: A 1925 Helmet Designed to Eliminate Distractions &amp; Increase Productivity (Created by SciFi Pioneer Hugo Gernsback)</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/649087/latin-insults" rel="nofollow">20 Latin Insults You Should Know</a></li>
<li><a href="https://shashiirk.github.io/fake-tweet-generator/" rel="nofollow">Fake Tweet Generator</a></li>
<li><a href="https://clickhole.com/remote-work-ftw-logitech-has-released-a-wireless-mouse-that-works-from-900-miles-away/" rel="nofollow">Remote Work FTW: Logitech Has Released A Wireless Mouse That Works From 900 Miles Away</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about backdoor innovation, gig economy innovation, and deep work retro innovation</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_ergonomic_keyboards" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Natural Keyboards</a> are not water-resistant</li>
<li><a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mini-metro/id837860959" rel="nofollow">Mini Metro</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/critics-say-apple-built-a-backdoor-into-your-iphone-wit-1847438624" rel="nofollow">Critics Say Apple Built a &#39;Backdoor&#39; Into Your iPhone With Its New Child Abuse Detection Tools</a>

<ul>
<li>Related: <a href="https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/the-ceo-of-whatsapp-attacked-apple-over-privacy-he-seems-to-have-forgotten-he-works-for-facebook.html" rel="nofollow">The CEO of WhatsApp Attacked Apple Over Privacy. He Seems to Have Forgotten He Works for Facebook</a>

<ul>
<li>“The nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation also <a href="https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/06/snowden-eff-slam-plan-to-scan-messages-images/" rel="nofollow">critical</a> Apple’s plans, stating that “even a carefully documented, carefully thought out, close-range backdoor is still a backdoor.” – <a href="https://roxxcloud.com/apple-publishes-faq-to-address-csam-detection-and-message-analysis-issues/" rel="nofollow">Apple publishes FAQ to address CSAM detection and message analysis issues</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/citizen-wants-to-pay-you-25-an-hour-to-be-a-nightcrawl-1847363924" rel="nofollow">Citizen Wants to Pay You $25 an Hour to Be a Nightcrawler</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightcrawler_(film)" rel="nofollow">Nightcrawler (film)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB6Sqhvm8l8" rel="nofollow">Vigilante app</a> video</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://petapixel.com/2021/06/26/photo-app-turns-users-into-unwitting-spies-for-us-military/" rel="nofollow">Photo App Turns Users Into Unwitting Spies</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.openculture.com/2021/05/the-isolator-a-1925-helmet-designed-to-eliminate-distractions.html" rel="nofollow">The Isolator: A 1925 Helmet Designed to Eliminate Distractions &amp; Increase Productivity (Created by SciFi Pioneer Hugo Gernsback)</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/649087/latin-insults" rel="nofollow">20 Latin Insults You Should Know</a></li>
<li><a href="https://shashiirk.github.io/fake-tweet-generator/" rel="nofollow">Fake Tweet Generator</a></li>
<li><a href="https://clickhole.com/remote-work-ftw-logitech-has-released-a-wireless-mouse-that-works-from-900-miles-away/" rel="nofollow">Remote Work FTW: Logitech Has Released A Wireless Mouse That Works From 900 Miles Away</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 182: Stochastic Fakery</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about faking faces, faking friends, faking holes, faking dominance, and faking work</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>27:54</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://twitter.com/davidegts) and Gunnar (http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about) talk about faking faces, faking friends, faking holes, faking dominance, and faking work
  Stochastic terrorism (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism): Deplatforming 8chan, the First Amendment, the Communications Decency Act, and accountability
  Artificial Intelligence Is Coming for Our Faces (https://www.wired.com/story/artificial-intelligence-fake-fakes/)
  Which Face Is Real? (http://www.whichfaceisreal.com/)
  GROVER — A State-of-the-Art Defense against Neural Fake News (https://grover.allenai.org/)
  Catching a Unicorn with GLTR: A tool to detect automatically generated text (http://gltr.io/)
  Experts: Spy used AI-generated face to connect with targets (https://www.apnews.com/bc2f19097a4c4fffaa00de6770b8a60d)
  NVIDIA's AI fixes photos by recognizing what's missing (https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/24/nvidia-ai-fixes-photos/)
  Censorship of images in the Soviet Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union)
  Development of "whole body model automatic generation AI" which generates whole body image of non-existent person (https://datagrid.co.jp/en/all/release/386/)
  China has unveiled its 'first female AI news anchor' (https://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/china-has-unveiled-its-first-female-ai-news-anchor-1.828533)
  Speech2Face: Learning the Face Behind a Voice (https://speech2face.github.io/)
  Want to Look Dominant? Tilt Your Head Down, Study Says (https://www.neatorama.com/2019/06/18/Want-to-Look-Dominant-Tilt-Your-Head-Down-Study-Says/)
  'Netflix Hangouts' Chrome extension helps skivers binge shows at work (https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3078643/netflix-hangouts-chrome-extension-helps-lazy-f-ks-binge-shows-at-work)
Cutting Room Floor
*   Highway patrol pulls over hearse in Las Vegas high-occupancy vehicle lane. Is the body an occupant? (https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2019/07/02/hov-lane-las-vegas-hearse-does-dead-body-count-carpool/1629131001/)
*   Unnecessary Inventions (https://www.unnecessaryinventions.com/)
We Give Thanks
*   The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>stochastic terrorism, 8chan, AI, artificial intelligence, espionage, fake news, censorship, China, Speech2Face, dominance, Neflix, video conferencing, HOV, Unnecessary Inventions</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about faking faces, faking friends, faking holes, faking dominance, and faking work</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism" rel="nofollow">Stochastic terrorism</a>: Deplatforming 8chan, the First Amendment, the Communications Decency Act, and accountability</li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/artificial-intelligence-fake-fakes/" rel="nofollow">Artificial Intelligence Is Coming for Our Faces</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="http://www.whichfaceisreal.com/" rel="nofollow">Which Face Is Real?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://grover.allenai.org/" rel="nofollow">GROVER — A State-of-the-Art Defense against Neural Fake News</a></li>
<li>  <a href="http://gltr.io/" rel="nofollow">Catching a Unicorn with GLTR: A tool to detect automatically generated text</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.apnews.com/bc2f19097a4c4fffaa00de6770b8a60d" rel="nofollow">Experts: Spy used AI-generated face to connect with targets</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/24/nvidia-ai-fixes-photos/" rel="nofollow">NVIDIA&#39;s AI fixes photos by recognizing what&#39;s missing</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union" rel="nofollow">Censorship of images in the Soviet Union</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://datagrid.co.jp/en/all/release/386/" rel="nofollow">Development of &quot;whole body model automatic generation AI&quot; which generates whole body image of non-existent person</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/china-has-unveiled-its-first-female-ai-news-anchor-1.828533" rel="nofollow">China has unveiled its &#39;first female AI news anchor&#39;</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://speech2face.github.io/" rel="nofollow">Speech2Face: Learning the Face Behind a Voice</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2019/06/18/Want-to-Look-Dominant-Tilt-Your-Head-Down-Study-Says/" rel="nofollow">Want to Look Dominant? Tilt Your Head Down, Study Says</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3078643/netflix-hangouts-chrome-extension-helps-lazy-f-ks-binge-shows-at-work" rel="nofollow">&#39;Netflix Hangouts&#39; Chrome extension helps skivers binge shows at work</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2019/07/02/hov-lane-las-vegas-hearse-does-dead-body-count-carpool/1629131001/" rel="nofollow">Highway patrol pulls over hearse in Las Vegas high-occupancy vehicle lane. Is the body an occupant?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.unnecessaryinventions.com/" rel="nofollow">Unnecessary Inventions</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about faking faces, faking friends, faking holes, faking dominance, and faking work</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism" rel="nofollow">Stochastic terrorism</a>: Deplatforming 8chan, the First Amendment, the Communications Decency Act, and accountability</li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/artificial-intelligence-fake-fakes/" rel="nofollow">Artificial Intelligence Is Coming for Our Faces</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="http://www.whichfaceisreal.com/" rel="nofollow">Which Face Is Real?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://grover.allenai.org/" rel="nofollow">GROVER — A State-of-the-Art Defense against Neural Fake News</a></li>
<li>  <a href="http://gltr.io/" rel="nofollow">Catching a Unicorn with GLTR: A tool to detect automatically generated text</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.apnews.com/bc2f19097a4c4fffaa00de6770b8a60d" rel="nofollow">Experts: Spy used AI-generated face to connect with targets</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/24/nvidia-ai-fixes-photos/" rel="nofollow">NVIDIA&#39;s AI fixes photos by recognizing what&#39;s missing</a>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union" rel="nofollow">Censorship of images in the Soviet Union</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://datagrid.co.jp/en/all/release/386/" rel="nofollow">Development of &quot;whole body model automatic generation AI&quot; which generates whole body image of non-existent person</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/china-has-unveiled-its-first-female-ai-news-anchor-1.828533" rel="nofollow">China has unveiled its &#39;first female AI news anchor&#39;</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://speech2face.github.io/" rel="nofollow">Speech2Face: Learning the Face Behind a Voice</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2019/06/18/Want-to-Look-Dominant-Tilt-Your-Head-Down-Study-Says/" rel="nofollow">Want to Look Dominant? Tilt Your Head Down, Study Says</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3078643/netflix-hangouts-chrome-extension-helps-lazy-f-ks-binge-shows-at-work" rel="nofollow">&#39;Netflix Hangouts&#39; Chrome extension helps skivers binge shows at work</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2019/07/02/hov-lane-las-vegas-hearse-does-dead-body-count-carpool/1629131001/" rel="nofollow">Highway patrol pulls over hearse in Las Vegas high-occupancy vehicle lane. Is the body an occupant?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.unnecessaryinventions.com/" rel="nofollow">Unnecessary Inventions</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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