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    <title>Dave &amp; Gunnar Show - Episodes Tagged with “Evs”</title>
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    <pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
    <description>David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.
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    <itunes:subtitle>Not our circus, not our monkey.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <title>Episode 262: Two Plus Two Was Five the Whole Time</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week, Dave and Gunnar talk about electric vehicle skeuomorphism, people influencing AIs, AIs influencing people, and people influencing AIs influencing people!</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>This week, Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about electric vehicle skeuomorphism, people influencing AIs, AIs influencing people, and people influencing AIs influencing people!
Gunnar espouses the virtues of the Leatherman Micra (https://www.leatherman.com/micra-20.html)  
Dave enjoys D-Day Conneaut (https://www.ddayohio.us/)!  
An annual WWII reenactment on the beaches of Lake Erie (https://www.wosu.org/2023-10-12/an-annual-wwii-reenactment-on-the-beaches-of-lake-erie)  
Ohio Renaissance Festival (https://renfestival.com/)
D&amp;amp;G This Week in Skeuomorphism: Here’s what the electric Dodge Charger’s “Fratzonic exhaust” sounds like (https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/heres-what-the-electric-dodge-chargers-fratzonic-exhaust-sounds-like/)  
See also: Motorcycle exhaust mod? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5IKthNYhVY)  
People game AIs via game theory (http://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/08/people-act-differently-when-they-think-theyre-training-an-ai)  
Our Human Creativity Is Becoming More Uniform Due To ChatGPT (https://cobusgreyling.medium.com/our-human-creativity-is-becoming-more-uniform-due-to-chatgpt-660dc59687f3)  
AI chatbots amplify creation of false memories, boffins reckon – or do they? (https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/13/ai_chatbots_amplify_creation_of)
Cutting Room Floor
Broadway embraces particle physics with musical about Higgs boson discovery (https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/broadway-embraces-particles-physics-with-musical-about-higgs-boson-discovery.1502219/)  
YO! MS Raps: MS-DOS 5 Upgrade Music Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YveAomaHMPA)
We Give Thanks
The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week, <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about electric vehicle skeuomorphism, people influencing AIs, AIs influencing people, and people influencing AIs influencing people!</p>

<ul>
<li>Gunnar espouses the virtues of the <a href="https://www.leatherman.com/micra-20.html" rel="nofollow">Leatherman Micra</a><br></li>
<li>Dave enjoys <a href="https://www.ddayohio.us/" rel="nofollow">D-Day Conneaut</a>!<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.wosu.org/2023-10-12/an-annual-wwii-reenactment-on-the-beaches-of-lake-erie" rel="nofollow">An annual WWII reenactment on the beaches of Lake Erie</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://renfestival.com/" rel="nofollow">Ohio Renaissance Festival</a></li>
<li>D&amp;G This Week in Skeuomorphism: <a href="https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/heres-what-the-electric-dodge-chargers-fratzonic-exhaust-sounds-like/" rel="nofollow">Here’s what the electric Dodge Charger’s “Fratzonic exhaust” sounds like</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5IKthNYhVY" rel="nofollow">Motorcycle exhaust mod?</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="http://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/08/people-act-differently-when-they-think-theyre-training-an-ai" rel="nofollow">People game AIs via game theory</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://cobusgreyling.medium.com/our-human-creativity-is-becoming-more-uniform-due-to-chatgpt-660dc59687f3" rel="nofollow">Our Human Creativity Is Becoming More Uniform Due To ChatGPT</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/13/ai_chatbots_amplify_creation_of" rel="nofollow">AI chatbots amplify creation of false memories, boffins reckon – or do they?</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/broadway-embraces-particles-physics-with-musical-about-higgs-boson-discovery.1502219/" rel="nofollow">Broadway embraces particle physics with musical about Higgs boson discovery</a><br></li>
<li>YO! MS Raps: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YveAomaHMPA" rel="nofollow">MS-DOS 5 Upgrade Music Video</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week, <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about electric vehicle skeuomorphism, people influencing AIs, AIs influencing people, and people influencing AIs influencing people!</p>

<ul>
<li>Gunnar espouses the virtues of the <a href="https://www.leatherman.com/micra-20.html" rel="nofollow">Leatherman Micra</a><br></li>
<li>Dave enjoys <a href="https://www.ddayohio.us/" rel="nofollow">D-Day Conneaut</a>!<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.wosu.org/2023-10-12/an-annual-wwii-reenactment-on-the-beaches-of-lake-erie" rel="nofollow">An annual WWII reenactment on the beaches of Lake Erie</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://renfestival.com/" rel="nofollow">Ohio Renaissance Festival</a></li>
<li>D&amp;G This Week in Skeuomorphism: <a href="https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/heres-what-the-electric-dodge-chargers-fratzonic-exhaust-sounds-like/" rel="nofollow">Here’s what the electric Dodge Charger’s “Fratzonic exhaust” sounds like</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5IKthNYhVY" rel="nofollow">Motorcycle exhaust mod?</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="http://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/08/people-act-differently-when-they-think-theyre-training-an-ai" rel="nofollow">People game AIs via game theory</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://cobusgreyling.medium.com/our-human-creativity-is-becoming-more-uniform-due-to-chatgpt-660dc59687f3" rel="nofollow">Our Human Creativity Is Becoming More Uniform Due To ChatGPT</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/13/ai_chatbots_amplify_creation_of" rel="nofollow">AI chatbots amplify creation of false memories, boffins reckon – or do they?</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/broadway-embraces-particles-physics-with-musical-about-higgs-boson-discovery.1502219/" rel="nofollow">Broadway embraces particle physics with musical about Higgs boson discovery</a><br></li>
<li>YO! MS Raps: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YveAomaHMPA" rel="nofollow">MS-DOS 5 Upgrade Music Video</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 257: Flowers from Heaven</title>
  <link>https://dgshow.org/257</link>
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  <pubDate>Sat, 11 May 2024 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about AI for fake law firms, AI for politicians, drones for electric vehicles, and paid memberships for Chuck E. Cheese!</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>31:21</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about AI for fake law firms, AI for politicians, drones for electric vehicles, and paid memberships for Chuck E. Cheese!
Resident Alien (TV series) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_Alien_(TV_series))
Multi-Level Summarization in Instapaper (https://bthdonohue.com/2024/04/24/multilevel-summarization-instapaper.html)
Pixel Buds Pro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_Buds#Pixel_Buds_Pro)
A ‘Law Firm’ of AI Generated Lawyers Is Sending Fake Threats as an SEO Scam (https://www.404media.co/a-law-firm-of-ai-generated-lawyers-is-sending-fake-threats-as-an-seo-scam/)
Commonwealth Legal Services (https://www.commonwealth-team.net/)
Liberals accuse Conservatives of using AI for amendments to jobs bill as votes loom (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sustainable-jobs-bill-amendments-1.7171414)
EVs With Built-In Camera Drones Have Already Landed in China (https://www.wired.com/story/evs-with-built-in-camera-drones-have-already-landed-in-china/)
M.A.S.K. (TV series) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.A.S.K._(TV_series))
Cheap Russian drones overwhelm US-made Abrams tanks, taken out of action (https://www.intellinews.com/cheap-russian-drones-overwhelm-us-made-abrams-tanks-taken-out-of-action-322988/)
Want to feel special? Stores and restaurants with paid memberships are betting on it (https://apnews.com/article/paid-loyalty-memberships-chuck-echeese-target-walmart-a85e0aa7c6400fa1a7b0cc97de77fc63)
Cutting Room Floor
* New thermal paste smells like flowers from heaven (https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/thermal-paste/new-thermal-paste-smells-like-flowers-from-heaven)
* MIT License text becomes viral “sad girl” piano ballad generated by AI (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/mit-license-text-becomes-viral-sad-girl-piano-ballad-generated-by-ai/)
    * See also: Jenkins, I call on you now (https://suno.com/song/41249610-2f72-4013-92ae-08e41c93733a)
* What If Your AI Girlfriend Hated You? (https://www.wired.com/story/what-if-your-ai-girlfriend-hated-you/)
We Give Thanks
* The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Resident Alien, Instapaper, Pixel Buds, Pixel Buds Pro, noise cancellation, law firms, AI, robot lawyers, SEO, SEO scams, 1000 yard stare, Commonwealth Legal Services, legislation, AI legislation, EVs, electric vehicles, drones, MASK, tanks, memberships, restaurants, thermal paste, scented thermal paste, flowers from heaven, MIT license, sad girl, AI girlfriends</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about AI for fake law firms, AI for politicians, drones for electric vehicles, and paid memberships for Chuck E. Cheese!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_Alien_(TV_series)" rel="nofollow">Resident Alien (TV series)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://bthdonohue.com/2024/04/24/multilevel-summarization-instapaper.html" rel="nofollow">Multi-Level Summarization in Instapaper</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_Buds#Pixel_Buds_Pro" rel="nofollow">Pixel Buds Pro</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.404media.co/a-law-firm-of-ai-generated-lawyers-is-sending-fake-threats-as-an-seo-scam/" rel="nofollow">A ‘Law Firm’ of AI Generated Lawyers Is Sending Fake Threats as an SEO Scam</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.commonwealth-team.net/" rel="nofollow">Commonwealth Legal Services</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sustainable-jobs-bill-amendments-1.7171414" rel="nofollow">Liberals accuse Conservatives of using AI for amendments to jobs bill as votes loom</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/evs-with-built-in-camera-drones-have-already-landed-in-china/" rel="nofollow">EVs With Built-In Camera Drones Have Already Landed in China</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.A.S.K._(TV_series)" rel="nofollow">M.A.S.K. (TV series)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.intellinews.com/cheap-russian-drones-overwhelm-us-made-abrams-tanks-taken-out-of-action-322988/" rel="nofollow">Cheap Russian drones overwhelm US-made Abrams tanks, taken out of action</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://apnews.com/article/paid-loyalty-memberships-chuck-echeese-target-walmart-a85e0aa7c6400fa1a7b0cc97de77fc63" rel="nofollow">Want to feel special? Stores and restaurants with paid memberships are betting on it</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/thermal-paste/new-thermal-paste-smells-like-flowers-from-heaven" rel="nofollow">New thermal paste smells like flowers from heaven</a></li>
<li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/mit-license-text-becomes-viral-sad-girl-piano-ballad-generated-by-ai/" rel="nofollow">MIT License text becomes viral “sad girl” piano ballad generated by AI</a>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://suno.com/song/41249610-2f72-4013-92ae-08e41c93733a" rel="nofollow">Jenkins, I call on you now</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/what-if-your-ai-girlfriend-hated-you/" rel="nofollow">What If Your AI Girlfriend Hated You?</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about AI for fake law firms, AI for politicians, drones for electric vehicles, and paid memberships for Chuck E. Cheese!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_Alien_(TV_series)" rel="nofollow">Resident Alien (TV series)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://bthdonohue.com/2024/04/24/multilevel-summarization-instapaper.html" rel="nofollow">Multi-Level Summarization in Instapaper</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_Buds#Pixel_Buds_Pro" rel="nofollow">Pixel Buds Pro</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.404media.co/a-law-firm-of-ai-generated-lawyers-is-sending-fake-threats-as-an-seo-scam/" rel="nofollow">A ‘Law Firm’ of AI Generated Lawyers Is Sending Fake Threats as an SEO Scam</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.commonwealth-team.net/" rel="nofollow">Commonwealth Legal Services</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sustainable-jobs-bill-amendments-1.7171414" rel="nofollow">Liberals accuse Conservatives of using AI for amendments to jobs bill as votes loom</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/evs-with-built-in-camera-drones-have-already-landed-in-china/" rel="nofollow">EVs With Built-In Camera Drones Have Already Landed in China</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.A.S.K._(TV_series)" rel="nofollow">M.A.S.K. (TV series)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.intellinews.com/cheap-russian-drones-overwhelm-us-made-abrams-tanks-taken-out-of-action-322988/" rel="nofollow">Cheap Russian drones overwhelm US-made Abrams tanks, taken out of action</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://apnews.com/article/paid-loyalty-memberships-chuck-echeese-target-walmart-a85e0aa7c6400fa1a7b0cc97de77fc63" rel="nofollow">Want to feel special? Stores and restaurants with paid memberships are betting on it</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/thermal-paste/new-thermal-paste-smells-like-flowers-from-heaven" rel="nofollow">New thermal paste smells like flowers from heaven</a></li>
<li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/mit-license-text-becomes-viral-sad-girl-piano-ballad-generated-by-ai/" rel="nofollow">MIT License text becomes viral “sad girl” piano ballad generated by AI</a>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://suno.com/song/41249610-2f72-4013-92ae-08e41c93733a" rel="nofollow">Jenkins, I call on you now</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/what-if-your-ai-girlfriend-hated-you/" rel="nofollow">What If Your AI Girlfriend Hated You?</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
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