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    <title>Dave &amp; Gunnar Show - Episodes Tagged with “Ice”</title>
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    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2024 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
    <description>David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.
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    <itunes:subtitle>Not our circus, not our monkey.</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
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  <title>Episode 260: As Long as I’m Not Wearing an Apple Watch, I’ll Never Get Credit For Standing</title>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about another fake university, Brain Organoids as a Service (BOaaS?), and policing with drones!
Apple Watch (https://www.apple.com/watch/)
Oura Ring (https://ouraring.com/)
Xiaomi Smart Band 8 (https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-smart-band-8/)
Appeals court rules students can sue U.S. over fake university set up by ICE (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/appeals-court-rules-students-can-sue-us-fake-university-set-ice-rcna160295)
University of Farmington (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Farmington)
University of Farmington on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org/web/20190118150802/https://universityoffarmington.edu/)
World's first bioprocessor uses 16 human brain organoids for ‘a million times less power’ consumption than a digital chip (https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/worlds-first-bioprocessor-uses-16-human-brain-organoids-for-a-million-times-less-power-consumption-than-a-digital-chip)
The Age of the Drone Police Is Here (https://www.wired.com/story/the-age-of-the-drone-police-is-here/)
Gorgon Stare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare)
Cutting Room Floor
* Strange and Wonderful Illustrations from Vintage Science Books (https://flashbak.com/strange-and-wonderful-illustrations-from-vintage-science-books-376681/)
* The World of the Future: Future Cities (Usborne, 1979) (https://2warpstoneptune.com/2014/03/04/usborne-publishing-the-world-of-the-future-future-cities-1979/)
We Give Thanks
* The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
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  <itunes:keywords>Apple Watch, Oura Ring, Xiaomi Smart Band, University of Farmington, ICE, brains, brain organoids, Brain Organoids as a Service, drones, law enforcement, drone as first responder, DFR, Gorgon Stare, vintage science books, Usborne</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about another fake university, Brain Organoids as a Service (BOaaS?), and policing with drones!</p>

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<li><a href="https://www.apple.com/watch/" rel="nofollow">Apple Watch</a></li>
<li><a href="https://ouraring.com/" rel="nofollow">Oura Ring</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-smart-band-8/" rel="nofollow">Xiaomi Smart Band 8</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/appeals-court-rules-students-can-sue-us-fake-university-set-ice-rcna160295" rel="nofollow">Appeals court rules students can sue U.S. over fake university set up by ICE</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Farmington" rel="nofollow">University of Farmington</a></li>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190118150802/https://universityoffarmington.edu/" rel="nofollow">University of Farmington on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/worlds-first-bioprocessor-uses-16-human-brain-organoids-for-a-million-times-less-power-consumption-than-a-digital-chip" rel="nofollow">World&#39;s first bioprocessor uses 16 human brain organoids for ‘a million times less power’ consumption than a digital chip</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/the-age-of-the-drone-police-is-here/" rel="nofollow">The Age of the Drone Police Is Here</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare" rel="nofollow">Gorgon Stare</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://flashbak.com/strange-and-wonderful-illustrations-from-vintage-science-books-376681/" rel="nofollow">Strange and Wonderful Illustrations from Vintage Science Books</a></li>
<li><a href="https://2warpstoneptune.com/2014/03/04/usborne-publishing-the-world-of-the-future-future-cities-1979/" rel="nofollow">The World of the Future: Future Cities (Usborne, 1979)</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about another fake university, Brain Organoids as a Service (BOaaS?), and policing with drones!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.apple.com/watch/" rel="nofollow">Apple Watch</a></li>
<li><a href="https://ouraring.com/" rel="nofollow">Oura Ring</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-smart-band-8/" rel="nofollow">Xiaomi Smart Band 8</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/appeals-court-rules-students-can-sue-us-fake-university-set-ice-rcna160295" rel="nofollow">Appeals court rules students can sue U.S. over fake university set up by ICE</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Farmington" rel="nofollow">University of Farmington</a></li>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190118150802/https://universityoffarmington.edu/" rel="nofollow">University of Farmington on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/worlds-first-bioprocessor-uses-16-human-brain-organoids-for-a-million-times-less-power-consumption-than-a-digital-chip" rel="nofollow">World&#39;s first bioprocessor uses 16 human brain organoids for ‘a million times less power’ consumption than a digital chip</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/the-age-of-the-drone-police-is-here/" rel="nofollow">The Age of the Drone Police Is Here</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare" rel="nofollow">Gorgon Stare</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://flashbak.com/strange-and-wonderful-illustrations-from-vintage-science-books-376681/" rel="nofollow">Strange and Wonderful Illustrations from Vintage Science Books</a></li>
<li><a href="https://2warpstoneptune.com/2014/03/04/usborne-publishing-the-world-of-the-future-future-cities-1979/" rel="nofollow">The World of the Future: Future Cities (Usborne, 1979)</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 242: The Fighting Schrödinger's Cats</title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2022 06:00:00 -0600</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week, Dave and Gunnar talk about police, criminals, and ISO 216!</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>34:10</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This week, Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about police, criminals, and ISO 216!
Gunnar endorsed: Outlanders (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/outlanders/id1463407936)!
Dave endorsed:
OBS: Open Broadcast Studio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySENWFIkL7c) (see YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySENWFIkL7c))
Rectangle (https://rectangleapp.com/) (see YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUPSnDYJU6A))
Change the behavior of the modifier keys on Mac (https://support.apple.com/sq-al/guide/mac-help/mchlp1011/mac)
John le Carré (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_Carr%C3%A9)
NYPD Considers Using Encryption to Block Public From Radio Scanner Broadcasts (https://gizmodo.com/nypd-considers-blocking-public-from-radio-scanner-broad-1849599071)
US Police Warn of Parking Meters with Phishing QR Codes (https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/us-police-parking-meters-phishing-qr-codes/)
ICE set up a fake college to catch fraudsters. Students say they were duped. (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/ice-set-fake-college-catch-fraudsters-students-say-duped-rcna19488)
Check out unnj.edu on the Wayback machine (https://web.archive.org/web/20150228020908/http://www.unnj.edu/), the Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Northern_New_Jersey), and 80+ UNNJ graduates on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/school/university-of-northern-new-jersey/people/)
D&amp;amp;G This Week in Things Fitting Perfectly Into Other Things: ISO 216 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_216) is an international standard for paper sizes, used around the world except in North America and parts of Latin America
ISO 128 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_128): Matching technical pen widths
Cutting Room Floor
* Verified stickers: $8 (https://dbrand.com/shop/special-edition/verified)
* Tumblr blue internet checkmarks: 2 for $7.99 (https://www.tumblr.com/staff/700564142648606720/hi-were-introducing-completely-useless-blue)
* Herzog and Žižek become uncanny AI bots trapped in endless conversation (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/herzog-and-zizek-become-uncanny-ai-bots-trapped-in-endless-conversation/)
We Give Thanks
* The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Outlanders, OBS, Open Broadcast Studio, Rectangle, Mac, modifier keys, John le Carré, NYPD, encryption, radios, QR codes, phishing, ICE, University of Northern New Jersey, UNNJ, ISO 216, A4, paper, 8.5x11, ISO 128, verified stickers, Twitter, Tumblr, Werner Herzog, Slavoj Žižek, AI, debate</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week, <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about police, criminals, and ISO 216!</p>

<ul>
<li>Gunnar endorsed: <a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/outlanders/id1463407936" rel="nofollow">Outlanders</a>!</li>
<li>Dave endorsed:

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySENWFIkL7c" rel="nofollow">OBS: Open Broadcast Studio</a> (see <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySENWFIkL7c" rel="nofollow">YouTube video</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://rectangleapp.com/" rel="nofollow">Rectangle</a> (see <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUPSnDYJU6A" rel="nofollow">YouTube video</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://support.apple.com/sq-al/guide/mac-help/mchlp1011/mac" rel="nofollow">Change the behavior of the modifier keys on Mac</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_Carr%C3%A9" rel="nofollow">John le Carré</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/nypd-considers-blocking-public-from-radio-scanner-broad-1849599071" rel="nofollow">NYPD Considers Using Encryption to Block Public From Radio Scanner Broadcasts</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/us-police-parking-meters-phishing-qr-codes/" rel="nofollow">US Police Warn of Parking Meters with Phishing QR Codes</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/ice-set-fake-college-catch-fraudsters-students-say-duped-rcna19488" rel="nofollow">ICE set up a fake college to catch fraudsters. Students say they were duped.</a>

<ul>
<li>Check out <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150228020908/http://www.unnj.edu/" rel="nofollow">unnj.edu on the Wayback machine</a>, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Northern_New_Jersey" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia article</a>, and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/school/university-of-northern-new-jersey/people/" rel="nofollow">80+ UNNJ graduates on LinkedIn</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>D&amp;G This Week in Things Fitting Perfectly Into Other Things: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_216" rel="nofollow">ISO 216</a> is an international standard for paper sizes, used around the world except in North America and parts of Latin America

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_128" rel="nofollow">ISO 128</a>: Matching technical pen widths</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://dbrand.com/shop/special-edition/verified" rel="nofollow">Verified stickers: $8</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.tumblr.com/staff/700564142648606720/hi-were-introducing-completely-useless-blue" rel="nofollow">Tumblr blue internet checkmarks: 2 for $7.99</a></li>
<li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/herzog-and-zizek-become-uncanny-ai-bots-trapped-in-endless-conversation/" rel="nofollow">Herzog and Žižek become uncanny AI bots trapped in endless conversation</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week, <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about police, criminals, and ISO 216!</p>

<ul>
<li>Gunnar endorsed: <a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/outlanders/id1463407936" rel="nofollow">Outlanders</a>!</li>
<li>Dave endorsed:

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySENWFIkL7c" rel="nofollow">OBS: Open Broadcast Studio</a> (see <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySENWFIkL7c" rel="nofollow">YouTube video</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://rectangleapp.com/" rel="nofollow">Rectangle</a> (see <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUPSnDYJU6A" rel="nofollow">YouTube video</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://support.apple.com/sq-al/guide/mac-help/mchlp1011/mac" rel="nofollow">Change the behavior of the modifier keys on Mac</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_Carr%C3%A9" rel="nofollow">John le Carré</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/nypd-considers-blocking-public-from-radio-scanner-broad-1849599071" rel="nofollow">NYPD Considers Using Encryption to Block Public From Radio Scanner Broadcasts</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/us-police-parking-meters-phishing-qr-codes/" rel="nofollow">US Police Warn of Parking Meters with Phishing QR Codes</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/ice-set-fake-college-catch-fraudsters-students-say-duped-rcna19488" rel="nofollow">ICE set up a fake college to catch fraudsters. Students say they were duped.</a>

<ul>
<li>Check out <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150228020908/http://www.unnj.edu/" rel="nofollow">unnj.edu on the Wayback machine</a>, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Northern_New_Jersey" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia article</a>, and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/school/university-of-northern-new-jersey/people/" rel="nofollow">80+ UNNJ graduates on LinkedIn</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>D&amp;G This Week in Things Fitting Perfectly Into Other Things: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_216" rel="nofollow">ISO 216</a> is an international standard for paper sizes, used around the world except in North America and parts of Latin America

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_128" rel="nofollow">ISO 128</a>: Matching technical pen widths</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://dbrand.com/shop/special-edition/verified" rel="nofollow">Verified stickers: $8</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.tumblr.com/staff/700564142648606720/hi-were-introducing-completely-useless-blue" rel="nofollow">Tumblr blue internet checkmarks: 2 for $7.99</a></li>
<li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/herzog-and-zizek-become-uncanny-ai-bots-trapped-in-endless-conversation/" rel="nofollow">Herzog and Žižek become uncanny AI bots trapped in endless conversation</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
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