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    <title>Dave &amp; Gunnar Show - Episodes Tagged with “Mulesoft”</title>
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    <pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2025 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
    <description>David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.
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    <itunes:subtitle>Not our circus, not our monkey.</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.
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  <title>Episode 270: Cylon Monkey Paw: 5 AI Predictions for 2025 &amp; How to Build Intelligent Agents</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Dave visits Carolyn Ford on the Tech Transforms podcast to talk about all things agentic AI!</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>In this episode, Carolyn Ford (https://dgshow.org/guests/cford) welcomes back Dave Egts, Field CTO at MuleSoft, to Tech Transforms (https://techtransforms.fireside.fm/) to explore the transformative power of AI in 2025. They dive into Dave’s top five AI predictions, with a special focus on the rise of agentic AI—AI that doesn’t just suggest, but acts. Dave explains the difference between generative AI and intelligent agents, why integration via APIs is the key to agent success, and how government agencies can prepare now.
Listeners will learn:
What “large action models” (LAMs) are, and how they differ from large language models
How AI agents are already reducing friction in Salesforce and Slack
Why AI success depends on access to high-quality, actionable data
What’s driving the shift toward small language models and what that means for secure, on-device AI
Why “agent-washing” is the new “AI-washing”—and how to spot it
What makes a truly impactful agent vs. a glorified chatbot
Dave’s favorite sci-fi robot, a monkey’s paw superpower wish, and what tech breakthrough he thinks is coming next
Key Topics:
[00:00] Intro &amp;amp; Dave’s blog: “5 AI Predictions for 2025”
[03:00] What’s an AI agent? Why they’re different from GenAI
[07:30] Real-world examples from Salesforce: Agentforce in action
[14:00] The importance of APIs for agent success
[15:45] Government use cases &amp;amp; security considerations
[18:00] Internal AI agents that reduce toil (meeting schedulers, IT help, expense reports)
[22:00] Cylon references &amp;amp; the power of digital labor in public sector
[29:00] Small Language Models: Why smaller might be better
[36:00] LLM Routers explained
[38:00] Fun Tech Talk Q&amp;amp;A (Superpowers, overhyped trends, sci-fi names)
Resources Mentioned:
📖 Dave's Blog: 5 AI Predictions for 2025: Opportunities Tech Leaders Must Seize This Year (https://blogs.mulesoft.com/digital-transformation/ai-predictions/)
💡 Trailhead Learning Platform from Salesforce: Learn to build your own agent (https://trailhead.salesforce.com/)
🤖 Help.Salesforce.com – Try Agentforce (https://help.salesforce.com/s/)
📺 Forbidden Planet (Robby the Robot) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet)
🐒 Monkey’s Paw story reference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw) Special Guest: Carolyn Ford.
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/cford" rel="nofollow">Carolyn Ford</a> welcomes back Dave Egts, Field CTO at MuleSoft, to <a href="https://techtransforms.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">Tech Transforms</a> to explore the transformative power of AI in 2025. They dive into Dave’s top five AI predictions, with a special focus on the rise of agentic AI—AI that doesn’t just suggest, but acts. Dave explains the difference between generative AI and intelligent agents, why integration via APIs is the key to agent success, and how government agencies can prepare now.</p>

<p>Listeners will learn:</p>

<p>What “large action models” (LAMs) are, and how they differ from large language models<br>
How AI agents are already reducing friction in Salesforce and Slack<br>
Why AI success depends on access to high-quality, actionable data<br>
What’s driving the shift toward small language models and what that means for secure, on-device AI<br>
Why “agent-washing” is the new “AI-washing”—and how to spot it<br>
What makes a truly impactful agent vs. a glorified chatbot<br>
Dave’s favorite sci-fi robot, a monkey’s paw superpower wish, and what tech breakthrough he thinks is coming next</p>

<p>Key Topics:</p>

<p>[00:00] Intro &amp; Dave’s blog: “5 AI Predictions for 2025”<br>
[03:00] What’s an AI agent? Why they’re different from GenAI<br>
[07:30] Real-world examples from Salesforce: Agentforce in action<br>
[14:00] The importance of APIs for agent success<br>
[15:45] Government use cases &amp; security considerations<br>
[18:00] Internal AI agents that reduce toil (meeting schedulers, IT help, expense reports)<br>
[22:00] Cylon references &amp; the power of digital labor in public sector<br>
[29:00] Small Language Models: Why smaller might be better<br>
[36:00] LLM Routers explained<br>
[38:00] Fun Tech Talk Q&amp;A (Superpowers, overhyped trends, sci-fi names)</p>

<p>Resources Mentioned:</p>

<p>📖 <a href="https://blogs.mulesoft.com/digital-transformation/ai-predictions/" rel="nofollow">Dave&#39;s Blog: 5 AI Predictions for 2025: Opportunities Tech Leaders Must Seize This Year</a><br>
💡 <a href="https://trailhead.salesforce.com/" rel="nofollow">Trailhead Learning Platform from Salesforce: Learn to build your own agent</a><br>
🤖 <a href="https://help.salesforce.com/s/" rel="nofollow">Help.Salesforce.com – Try Agentforce</a><br>
📺 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet" rel="nofollow">Forbidden Planet (Robby the Robot)</a><br>
🐒 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw" rel="nofollow">Monkey’s Paw story reference</a></p><p>Special Guest: Carolyn Ford.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/cford" rel="nofollow">Carolyn Ford</a> welcomes back Dave Egts, Field CTO at MuleSoft, to <a href="https://techtransforms.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">Tech Transforms</a> to explore the transformative power of AI in 2025. They dive into Dave’s top five AI predictions, with a special focus on the rise of agentic AI—AI that doesn’t just suggest, but acts. Dave explains the difference between generative AI and intelligent agents, why integration via APIs is the key to agent success, and how government agencies can prepare now.</p>

<p>Listeners will learn:</p>

<p>What “large action models” (LAMs) are, and how they differ from large language models<br>
How AI agents are already reducing friction in Salesforce and Slack<br>
Why AI success depends on access to high-quality, actionable data<br>
What’s driving the shift toward small language models and what that means for secure, on-device AI<br>
Why “agent-washing” is the new “AI-washing”—and how to spot it<br>
What makes a truly impactful agent vs. a glorified chatbot<br>
Dave’s favorite sci-fi robot, a monkey’s paw superpower wish, and what tech breakthrough he thinks is coming next</p>

<p>Key Topics:</p>

<p>[00:00] Intro &amp; Dave’s blog: “5 AI Predictions for 2025”<br>
[03:00] What’s an AI agent? Why they’re different from GenAI<br>
[07:30] Real-world examples from Salesforce: Agentforce in action<br>
[14:00] The importance of APIs for agent success<br>
[15:45] Government use cases &amp; security considerations<br>
[18:00] Internal AI agents that reduce toil (meeting schedulers, IT help, expense reports)<br>
[22:00] Cylon references &amp; the power of digital labor in public sector<br>
[29:00] Small Language Models: Why smaller might be better<br>
[36:00] LLM Routers explained<br>
[38:00] Fun Tech Talk Q&amp;A (Superpowers, overhyped trends, sci-fi names)</p>

<p>Resources Mentioned:</p>

<p>📖 <a href="https://blogs.mulesoft.com/digital-transformation/ai-predictions/" rel="nofollow">Dave&#39;s Blog: 5 AI Predictions for 2025: Opportunities Tech Leaders Must Seize This Year</a><br>
💡 <a href="https://trailhead.salesforce.com/" rel="nofollow">Trailhead Learning Platform from Salesforce: Learn to build your own agent</a><br>
🤖 <a href="https://help.salesforce.com/s/" rel="nofollow">Help.Salesforce.com – Try Agentforce</a><br>
📺 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet" rel="nofollow">Forbidden Planet (Robby the Robot)</a><br>
🐒 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw" rel="nofollow">Monkey’s Paw story reference</a></p><p>Special Guest: Carolyn Ford.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 240: It's not just a good idea, it's the law</title>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2022 06:00:00 -0600</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about Hellekson’s Law and LARPs!</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>29:16</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about Hellekson’s Law and LARPs!
GovCon Expert David Egts Joins MuleSoft as Public Sector Field CTO (https://executivegov.com/2022/09/govcon-expert-david-egts-joins-mulesoft-as-first-public-sector-field-cto/)
Pocket (https://getpocket.com/)
Drafts (https://getdrafts.com/)
The Pentagon may require vendors certify their software is free of known flaws. Experts are split. (https://www.cyberscoop.com/pentagon-vendors-vulnerability-testing/)
Related: Brondell S1000-E Swash 1000 Elongated Bidet Toilet Seat With Remote Control (https://www.bluebath.com/brondell-s1000-swash-1000-elongated-bidet-toilet-seat-with-remote-control.html?color=450?utm_source=google&amp;amp;utm_medium=cse&amp;amp;utm_term=13999&amp;amp;gclid=CIqDl92jtLcCFStp7AodwgEAsg)
Meet the Polish LARPers Who Pretend to Be American (https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5vpbx/poland-larp-america-ohio)
Cleveland Dyngus Day (https://clevelanddyngus.com/)
An Excursion Through This Polish Village Will Make You Feel Thousands Of Miles Away From Cleveland (https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/ohio/cleveland/polish-village-cle/)
Cutting Room Floor
* This Pipe Does Not Exist (https://thispipedoesnotexist.com/)
* This Image Does Not Exist (https://thisimagedoesnotexist.com/)
* AI generated-brands (https://twitter.com/JanelleCShane/status/1531624303770279937)
* GhostlyStock (https://www.ghostlystock.com/): Freely-usable images summoned from beyond the aether. Energized by AI.
* Last Shift Office Chair (https://www.iamchairbox.com/work/thelastshiftchair)
* You Don't Even Have to Sit Up Under Your Own Power With This Motorized Gaming Bed (https://gizmodo.com/you-dont-even-have-to-sit-up-under-your-own-power-with-1848757174)
    * I Cannot in Good Faith Recommend This Japanese Desk Tent (https://gizmodo.com/i-cannot-in-good-faith-recommend-this-japanese-desk-ten-1845345832)
* Dr. Dre, Medieval Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1rVTOHWhYc)
* Killing In The Name Performed By The North Korean Military Chorus (Rare Footage) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAcYS-_8L2s)
    * Killing In The Name - Rage Against The Machine / Rockin'1000 in Frankfurt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7KxKG7pmL4)
We Give Thanks
* The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>MuleSoft, Pocket, Drafts, Hellekson's Law, software policy, DoD, Department of Defense, toilet seats, Poland, LARPs, Cleveland, Ohio, Dyngus Day, AI, AI-generated artwork, AI-generated brands, AI-generated stock photos, Last Shift Office Chair, office charis, motorized gaming beds, gaming beds, desk tents, Dr. Dre, medieval music, Rage Against the Machine, North Korean Military Chorus, North Korea, Rockin'1000</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about Hellekson’s Law and LARPs!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://executivegov.com/2022/09/govcon-expert-david-egts-joins-mulesoft-as-first-public-sector-field-cto/" rel="nofollow">GovCon Expert David Egts Joins MuleSoft as Public Sector Field CTO</a></li>
<li><a href="https://getpocket.com/" rel="nofollow">Pocket</a></li>
<li><a href="https://getdrafts.com/" rel="nofollow">Drafts</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cyberscoop.com/pentagon-vendors-vulnerability-testing/" rel="nofollow">The Pentagon may require vendors certify their software is free of known flaws. Experts are split.</a>

<ul>
<li>Related: <a href="https://www.bluebath.com/brondell-s1000-swash-1000-elongated-bidet-toilet-seat-with-remote-control.html?color=450?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=13999&gclid=CIqDl92jtLcCFStp7AodwgEAsg" rel="nofollow">Brondell S1000-E Swash 1000 Elongated Bidet Toilet Seat With Remote Control</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5vpbx/poland-larp-america-ohio" rel="nofollow">Meet the Polish LARPers Who Pretend to Be American</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://clevelanddyngus.com/" rel="nofollow">Cleveland Dyngus Day</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/ohio/cleveland/polish-village-cle/" rel="nofollow">An Excursion Through This Polish Village Will Make You Feel Thousands Of Miles Away From Cleveland</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://thispipedoesnotexist.com/" rel="nofollow">This Pipe Does Not Exist</a></li>
<li><a href="https://thisimagedoesnotexist.com/" rel="nofollow">This Image Does Not Exist</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/JanelleCShane/status/1531624303770279937" rel="nofollow">AI generated-brands</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.ghostlystock.com/" rel="nofollow">GhostlyStock</a>: Freely-usable images summoned from beyond the aether. Energized by AI.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.iamchairbox.com/work/thelastshiftchair" rel="nofollow">Last Shift Office Chair</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/you-dont-even-have-to-sit-up-under-your-own-power-with-1848757174" rel="nofollow">You Don&#39;t Even Have to Sit Up Under Your Own Power With This Motorized Gaming Bed</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/i-cannot-in-good-faith-recommend-this-japanese-desk-ten-1845345832" rel="nofollow">I Cannot in Good Faith Recommend This Japanese Desk Tent</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1rVTOHWhYc" rel="nofollow">Dr. Dre, Medieval Version</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAcYS-_8L2s" rel="nofollow">Killing In The Name Performed By The North Korean Military Chorus (Rare Footage)</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7KxKG7pmL4" rel="nofollow">Killing In The Name - Rage Against The Machine / Rockin&#39;1000 in Frankfurt</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about Hellekson’s Law and LARPs!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://executivegov.com/2022/09/govcon-expert-david-egts-joins-mulesoft-as-first-public-sector-field-cto/" rel="nofollow">GovCon Expert David Egts Joins MuleSoft as Public Sector Field CTO</a></li>
<li><a href="https://getpocket.com/" rel="nofollow">Pocket</a></li>
<li><a href="https://getdrafts.com/" rel="nofollow">Drafts</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cyberscoop.com/pentagon-vendors-vulnerability-testing/" rel="nofollow">The Pentagon may require vendors certify their software is free of known flaws. Experts are split.</a>

<ul>
<li>Related: <a href="https://www.bluebath.com/brondell-s1000-swash-1000-elongated-bidet-toilet-seat-with-remote-control.html?color=450?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=13999&gclid=CIqDl92jtLcCFStp7AodwgEAsg" rel="nofollow">Brondell S1000-E Swash 1000 Elongated Bidet Toilet Seat With Remote Control</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5vpbx/poland-larp-america-ohio" rel="nofollow">Meet the Polish LARPers Who Pretend to Be American</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://clevelanddyngus.com/" rel="nofollow">Cleveland Dyngus Day</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/ohio/cleveland/polish-village-cle/" rel="nofollow">An Excursion Through This Polish Village Will Make You Feel Thousands Of Miles Away From Cleveland</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://thispipedoesnotexist.com/" rel="nofollow">This Pipe Does Not Exist</a></li>
<li><a href="https://thisimagedoesnotexist.com/" rel="nofollow">This Image Does Not Exist</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/JanelleCShane/status/1531624303770279937" rel="nofollow">AI generated-brands</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.ghostlystock.com/" rel="nofollow">GhostlyStock</a>: Freely-usable images summoned from beyond the aether. Energized by AI.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.iamchairbox.com/work/thelastshiftchair" rel="nofollow">Last Shift Office Chair</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/you-dont-even-have-to-sit-up-under-your-own-power-with-1848757174" rel="nofollow">You Don&#39;t Even Have to Sit Up Under Your Own Power With This Motorized Gaming Bed</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/i-cannot-in-good-faith-recommend-this-japanese-desk-ten-1845345832" rel="nofollow">I Cannot in Good Faith Recommend This Japanese Desk Tent</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1rVTOHWhYc" rel="nofollow">Dr. Dre, Medieval Version</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAcYS-_8L2s" rel="nofollow">Killing In The Name Performed By The North Korean Military Chorus (Rare Footage)</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7KxKG7pmL4" rel="nofollow">Killing In The Name - Rage Against The Machine / Rockin&#39;1000 in Frankfurt</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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