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    <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
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  <title>Episode 275: I'll Visit You in Jail</title>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about hidden signals in AI models and hidden signals in birds!
Agentic Google App Scripts (https://github.com/ghelleks/email-labeler-agent)  
Fake Music (https://www.youtube.com/@FakemusicBr)!  
Iron Man ( Soul/Funk) Version 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPocWcaCMA4)  
Don't You (Forget About Me) ( Soul) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-5xm2VsB8)
See also: The Klezmonauts -- Oy to the World: A Klezmer Christmas (https://www.allmusic.com/album/oy-to-the-world-a-klezmer-christmas-mw0000617319)
Subliminal Learning: Language Models Transmit Behavioral Traits via Hidden Signals in Data (https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/)  
China foes get worse results using DeepSeek, research suggests — CrowdStrike finds nearly twice as many flaws in AI-generated code for IS, Falun Gong, Tibet, and Taiwan (https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-foes-get-worse-results-using-deepseek-research-suggests-crowdstrike-finds-nearly-twice-as-many-flaws-in-ai-generated-code-for-is-falun-gong-tibet-and-taiwan)  
AVIF: The Avian Image Format (https://hackaday.com/2025/07/29/avif-the-avian-image-format/)
Cutting Room Floor
* I made headphones with integrated CD player, remote control, battery, disc storage, and jewel box compartment (https://www.reddit.com/r/DiWHY/comments/1mlrl4q/i_made_headphones_with_integrated_cd_player/)  
* Building a DOOM-like multiplayer shooter in pure SQL (https://cedardb.com/blog/doomql/)  
* Phishy URL (https://phishyurl.com/): Are your links not malicious looking enough?  
  * See also: https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;amp;firewall=exploit&amp;amp;id=c280 (https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;amp;firewall=exploit&amp;amp;id=c280)  
* URL Lengthener (https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener)  
  * See also: https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG (https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG) 
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  <itunes:keywords>Agentic AI, email, Gemini, Fake Music, AI-generated music, music, Iron Man, Don't You (Forget About Me), The Klezmonauts, CD players, Doom, SQL, phishing, URL lengtheners, subliminal learning, AI models, distillation, owls, DeepSeek, AI code generation, AVIF, avian image format, birds, ultrasonics, birdsongs, image generation, steganography, the Klezmonauts</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about hidden signals in AI models and hidden signals in birds!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ghelleks/email-labeler-agent" rel="nofollow">Agentic Google App Scripts</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FakemusicBr" rel="nofollow">Fake Music</a>!<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPocWcaCMA4" rel="nofollow">Iron Man ( Soul/Funk) Version 2</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-5xm2VsB8" rel="nofollow">Don&#39;t You (Forget About Me) ( Soul)</a></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.allmusic.com/album/oy-to-the-world-a-klezmer-christmas-mw0000617319" rel="nofollow">The Klezmonauts -- Oy to the World: A Klezmer Christmas</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Subliminal Learning: <a href="https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/" rel="nofollow">Language Models Transmit Behavioral Traits via Hidden Signals in Data</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-foes-get-worse-results-using-deepseek-research-suggests-crowdstrike-finds-nearly-twice-as-many-flaws-in-ai-generated-code-for-is-falun-gong-tibet-and-taiwan" rel="nofollow">China foes get worse results using DeepSeek, research suggests — CrowdStrike finds nearly twice as many flaws in AI-generated code for IS, Falun Gong, Tibet, and Taiwan</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/07/29/avif-the-avian-image-format/" rel="nofollow">AVIF: The Avian Image Format</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DiWHY/comments/1mlrl4q/i_made_headphones_with_integrated_cd_player/" rel="nofollow">I made headphones with integrated CD player, remote control, battery, disc storage, and jewel box compartment</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://cedardb.com/blog/doomql/" rel="nofollow">Building a DOOM-like multiplayer shooter in pure SQL</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://phishyurl.com/" rel="nofollow">Phishy URL</a>: Are your links not malicious looking enough?<br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&firewall=exploit&id=c280" rel="nofollow">https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;firewall=exploit&amp;id=c280</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener" rel="nofollow">URL Lengthener</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/%F0%9F%94%A5/the/%F0%9F%98%B5%E2%80%8D%F0%9F%92%AB/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG" rel="nofollow">https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about hidden signals in AI models and hidden signals in birds!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ghelleks/email-labeler-agent" rel="nofollow">Agentic Google App Scripts</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FakemusicBr" rel="nofollow">Fake Music</a>!<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPocWcaCMA4" rel="nofollow">Iron Man ( Soul/Funk) Version 2</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-5xm2VsB8" rel="nofollow">Don&#39;t You (Forget About Me) ( Soul)</a></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.allmusic.com/album/oy-to-the-world-a-klezmer-christmas-mw0000617319" rel="nofollow">The Klezmonauts -- Oy to the World: A Klezmer Christmas</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Subliminal Learning: <a href="https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/" rel="nofollow">Language Models Transmit Behavioral Traits via Hidden Signals in Data</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-foes-get-worse-results-using-deepseek-research-suggests-crowdstrike-finds-nearly-twice-as-many-flaws-in-ai-generated-code-for-is-falun-gong-tibet-and-taiwan" rel="nofollow">China foes get worse results using DeepSeek, research suggests — CrowdStrike finds nearly twice as many flaws in AI-generated code for IS, Falun Gong, Tibet, and Taiwan</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/07/29/avif-the-avian-image-format/" rel="nofollow">AVIF: The Avian Image Format</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DiWHY/comments/1mlrl4q/i_made_headphones_with_integrated_cd_player/" rel="nofollow">I made headphones with integrated CD player, remote control, battery, disc storage, and jewel box compartment</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://cedardb.com/blog/doomql/" rel="nofollow">Building a DOOM-like multiplayer shooter in pure SQL</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://phishyurl.com/" rel="nofollow">Phishy URL</a>: Are your links not malicious looking enough?<br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&firewall=exploit&id=c280" rel="nofollow">https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;firewall=exploit&amp;id=c280</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener" rel="nofollow">URL Lengthener</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/%F0%9F%94%A5/the/%F0%9F%98%B5%E2%80%8D%F0%9F%92%AB/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG" rel="nofollow">https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 234: You Are the Active Ingredient</title>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2022 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about clever uses of malware, cows, virtual reality, augmented reality, cryptocurrency, and the Denver Broncos (not all at the same time)</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>31:03</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about clever uses of malware, cows, virtual reality, augmented reality, cryptocurrency, and the Denver Broncos (not all at the same time)
Keychain garage door openers (https://www.lowes.com/pd/Chamberlain-Universal-2-Button-Keychain-Garage-Door-Opener-Remote/1000133147): they’re great!
How to See Your Uber Passenger Ratings Breakdown (and Improve Your Score) (https://lifehacker.com/how-to-see-your-uber-passenger-ratings-breakdown-and-i-1848547158)
How to Download Everything Amazon Knows About You (It's a Lot) (https://lifehacker.com/how-to-download-everything-amazon-knows-about-you-its-1848412242)
Dave endorsed: Grammarly Premium (https://www.grammarly.com/premium)
iOS malware can fake iPhone shut downs to snoop on camera, microphone (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ios-malware-can-fake-iphone-shut-downs-to-snoop-on-camera-microphone/)
Farmer gives cows VR headsets to reduce anxiety and increase milk production (https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/07/farmer-gives-cooped-up-cows-vr-headsets-to-increase-milk-production-15880604/)
These crypto enthusiasts are trying to raise $4 billion to buy the Denver Broncos (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/19/-buythebroncos-dao-aims-to-raise-4-billion-to-buy-denver-broncos.html)
BuyTheBroncos (https://www.buythebroncos.com/)
Who owns your address in AR? Probably not you. (https://www.protocol.com/entertainment/upland-augmented-reality-real-estate)
Superworld (https://www.superworldapp.com/)
Cutting Room Floor
* This Clever Device Detects the Amount of Metal in Music (https://www.hackster.io/news/this-clever-device-detects-the-amount-of-metal-in-music-d08509982627)
* Atlas Missile Silo for Sale, Cheap (https://homesandhues.com/p/atlas-missile-silo-for-sale-cheap) ($380K)
* Zeebo – Honest Placebo Pills Designed to Help You Create a Safe Experience on Your Path to Well-Being (https://www.amazon.com/Zeebo-Placebo-Designed-Experience-Well-being/dp/B00NUKW26M)
We Give Thanks
* The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>garage door openers, Uber, Amazon, personally identifiable information, PII, ratings, Grammarly, Grammarly Premium, iOS, malware, fake shutdown, farmers, cows, VR, milk, milk production, cryptocurrencies, Denver Broncos, Denver, augmented reality, AR, real estate, AR real estate, Superworld, metal, music, metal detector, missile silos, Zeebo, placebos, placebo pills</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about clever uses of malware, cows, virtual reality, augmented reality, cryptocurrency, and the Denver Broncos (not all at the same time)</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.lowes.com/pd/Chamberlain-Universal-2-Button-Keychain-Garage-Door-Opener-Remote/1000133147" rel="nofollow">Keychain garage door openers</a>: they’re great!</li>
<li><a href="https://lifehacker.com/how-to-see-your-uber-passenger-ratings-breakdown-and-i-1848547158" rel="nofollow">How to See Your Uber Passenger Ratings Breakdown (and Improve Your Score)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://lifehacker.com/how-to-download-everything-amazon-knows-about-you-its-1848412242" rel="nofollow">How to Download Everything Amazon Knows About You (It&#39;s a Lot)</a></li>
<li>Dave endorsed: <a href="https://www.grammarly.com/premium" rel="nofollow">Grammarly Premium</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ios-malware-can-fake-iphone-shut-downs-to-snoop-on-camera-microphone/" rel="nofollow">iOS malware can fake iPhone shut downs to snoop on camera, microphone</a></li>
<li><a href="https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/07/farmer-gives-cooped-up-cows-vr-headsets-to-increase-milk-production-15880604/" rel="nofollow">Farmer gives cows VR headsets to reduce anxiety and increase milk production</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/19/-buythebroncos-dao-aims-to-raise-4-billion-to-buy-denver-broncos.html" rel="nofollow">These crypto enthusiasts are trying to raise $4 billion to buy the Denver Broncos</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.buythebroncos.com/" rel="nofollow">BuyTheBroncos</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.protocol.com/entertainment/upland-augmented-reality-real-estate" rel="nofollow">Who owns your address in AR? Probably not you.</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.superworldapp.com/" rel="nofollow">Superworld</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.hackster.io/news/this-clever-device-detects-the-amount-of-metal-in-music-d08509982627" rel="nofollow">This Clever Device Detects the Amount of Metal in Music</a></li>
<li><a href="https://homesandhues.com/p/atlas-missile-silo-for-sale-cheap" rel="nofollow">Atlas Missile Silo for Sale, Cheap</a> ($380K)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Zeebo-Placebo-Designed-Experience-Well-being/dp/B00NUKW26M" rel="nofollow">Zeebo – Honest Placebo Pills Designed to Help You Create a Safe Experience on Your Path to Well-Being</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about clever uses of malware, cows, virtual reality, augmented reality, cryptocurrency, and the Denver Broncos (not all at the same time)</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.lowes.com/pd/Chamberlain-Universal-2-Button-Keychain-Garage-Door-Opener-Remote/1000133147" rel="nofollow">Keychain garage door openers</a>: they’re great!</li>
<li><a href="https://lifehacker.com/how-to-see-your-uber-passenger-ratings-breakdown-and-i-1848547158" rel="nofollow">How to See Your Uber Passenger Ratings Breakdown (and Improve Your Score)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://lifehacker.com/how-to-download-everything-amazon-knows-about-you-its-1848412242" rel="nofollow">How to Download Everything Amazon Knows About You (It&#39;s a Lot)</a></li>
<li>Dave endorsed: <a href="https://www.grammarly.com/premium" rel="nofollow">Grammarly Premium</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ios-malware-can-fake-iphone-shut-downs-to-snoop-on-camera-microphone/" rel="nofollow">iOS malware can fake iPhone shut downs to snoop on camera, microphone</a></li>
<li><a href="https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/07/farmer-gives-cooped-up-cows-vr-headsets-to-increase-milk-production-15880604/" rel="nofollow">Farmer gives cows VR headsets to reduce anxiety and increase milk production</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/19/-buythebroncos-dao-aims-to-raise-4-billion-to-buy-denver-broncos.html" rel="nofollow">These crypto enthusiasts are trying to raise $4 billion to buy the Denver Broncos</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.buythebroncos.com/" rel="nofollow">BuyTheBroncos</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.protocol.com/entertainment/upland-augmented-reality-real-estate" rel="nofollow">Who owns your address in AR? Probably not you.</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.superworldapp.com/" rel="nofollow">Superworld</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.hackster.io/news/this-clever-device-detects-the-amount-of-metal-in-music-d08509982627" rel="nofollow">This Clever Device Detects the Amount of Metal in Music</a></li>
<li><a href="https://homesandhues.com/p/atlas-missile-silo-for-sale-cheap" rel="nofollow">Atlas Missile Silo for Sale, Cheap</a> ($380K)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Zeebo-Placebo-Designed-Experience-Well-being/dp/B00NUKW26M" rel="nofollow">Zeebo – Honest Placebo Pills Designed to Help You Create a Safe Experience on Your Path to Well-Being</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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