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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about markdown, caveman, and dark software factories!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://warhammer40000.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Warhammer 40,000&lt;/a&gt;: “In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_Aren%27t_Real" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Birds Aren’t Real&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://news.slashdot.org/story/26/04/13/0115243/robot-birds-deployed-by-park-to-attract-real-birds---built-by-high-school-students" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Robot Birds Deployed by Park to Attract Real Birds - Built By High School Students&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://blog.cloudflare.com/markdown-for-agents/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Introducing Markdown for Agents&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Counterpoint: &lt;a href="https://bgslabs.org/blog/why-are-we-using-markdown/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Why the heck are we still using Markdown??&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;caveman&lt;/a&gt;: why use many token when few do trick&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;See also: &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Chinese" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Classical Chinese&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dark Software Factories&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDcgHzCBgmQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The 5 Levels of AI Coding (Why Most of You Won't Make It Past Level 2)&lt;/a&gt; by Nate B. Jones&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;StrongDM Software Factory: &lt;a href="https://factory.strongdm.ai/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Software Factories And The Agentic Moment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.danshapiro.com/blog/2026/01/the-five-levels-from-spicy-autocomplete-to-the-software-factory/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Five Levels: from Spicy Autocomplete to the Dark Factory&lt;/a&gt; by Dan Shapiro&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/208564/freedoms-forge-by-arthur-herman/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Freedom’s Forge&lt;/a&gt; by Arthur Herman&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXgkQ3nYeE" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;I Watched 3 Companies Lay Off Their Managers. All 3 Hit the Same Wall.&lt;/a&gt; by Nate B. Jones&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://editor.p5js.org/isohedral/full/vJa5RiZWs" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Interactive XKCD Dependency comic&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/19/A-Unique-Property-For-Sale-In-Pennsylvania/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;A Unique Property For Sale In Pennsylvania&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/16/Luxurious-Home-in-a-Decommissioned-Grain-Elevator/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Luxurious Home in a Decommissioned Grain Elevator&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk about markdown, caveman, and dark software factories!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://warhammer40000.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Warhammer 40,000</a>: “In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.”<br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_Aren%27t_Real" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Birds Aren’t Real</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://news.slashdot.org/story/26/04/13/0115243/robot-birds-deployed-by-park-to-attract-real-birds---built-by-high-school-students" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Robot Birds Deployed by Park to Attract Real Birds - Built By High School Students</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.cloudflare.com/markdown-for-agents/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Introducing Markdown for Agents</a><br>

<ul>
<li>Counterpoint: <a href="https://bgslabs.org/blog/why-are-we-using-markdown/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Why the heck are we still using Markdown??</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">caveman</a>: why use many token when few do trick<br></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Chinese" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Classical Chinese</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Dark Software Factories<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDcgHzCBgmQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The 5 Levels of AI Coding (Why Most of You Won't Make It Past Level 2)</a> by Nate B. Jones<br></li>
<li>StrongDM Software Factory: <a href="https://factory.strongdm.ai/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Software Factories And The Agentic Moment</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.danshapiro.com/blog/2026/01/the-five-levels-from-spicy-autocomplete-to-the-software-factory/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Five Levels: from Spicy Autocomplete to the Dark Factory</a> by Dan Shapiro<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/208564/freedoms-forge-by-arthur-herman/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Freedom’s Forge</a> by Arthur Herman<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXgkQ3nYeE" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">I Watched 3 Companies Lay Off Their Managers. All 3 Hit the Same Wall.</a> by Nate B. Jones</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://editor.p5js.org/isohedral/full/vJa5RiZWs" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Interactive XKCD Dependency comic</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/19/A-Unique-Property-For-Sale-In-Pennsylvania/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Unique Property For Sale In Pennsylvania</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/16/Luxurious-Home-in-a-Decommissioned-Grain-Elevator/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Luxurious Home in a Decommissioned Grain Elevator</a></li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk about markdown, caveman, and dark software factories!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://warhammer40000.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Warhammer 40,000</a>: “In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.”<br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_Aren%27t_Real" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Birds Aren’t Real</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://news.slashdot.org/story/26/04/13/0115243/robot-birds-deployed-by-park-to-attract-real-birds---built-by-high-school-students" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Robot Birds Deployed by Park to Attract Real Birds - Built By High School Students</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.cloudflare.com/markdown-for-agents/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Introducing Markdown for Agents</a><br>

<ul>
<li>Counterpoint: <a href="https://bgslabs.org/blog/why-are-we-using-markdown/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Why the heck are we still using Markdown??</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">caveman</a>: why use many token when few do trick<br></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Chinese" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Classical Chinese</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Dark Software Factories<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDcgHzCBgmQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The 5 Levels of AI Coding (Why Most of You Won't Make It Past Level 2)</a> by Nate B. Jones<br></li>
<li>StrongDM Software Factory: <a href="https://factory.strongdm.ai/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Software Factories And The Agentic Moment</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.danshapiro.com/blog/2026/01/the-five-levels-from-spicy-autocomplete-to-the-software-factory/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Five Levels: from Spicy Autocomplete to the Dark Factory</a> by Dan Shapiro<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/208564/freedoms-forge-by-arthur-herman/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Freedom’s Forge</a> by Arthur Herman<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXgkQ3nYeE" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">I Watched 3 Companies Lay Off Their Managers. All 3 Hit the Same Wall.</a> by Nate B. Jones</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://editor.p5js.org/isohedral/full/vJa5RiZWs" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Interactive XKCD Dependency comic</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/19/A-Unique-Property-For-Sale-In-Pennsylvania/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Unique Property For Sale In Pennsylvania</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/16/Luxurious-Home-in-a-Decommissioned-Grain-Elevator/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Luxurious Home in a Decommissioned Grain Elevator</a></li>
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