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    <description>David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.
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  <title>Episode 270: Cylon Monkey Paw: 5 AI Predictions for 2025 &amp; How to Build Intelligent Agents</title>
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  <description>In this episode, Carolyn Ford (https://dgshow.org/guests/cford) welcomes back Dave Egts, Field CTO at MuleSoft, to Tech Transforms (https://techtransforms.fireside.fm/) to explore the transformative power of AI in 2025. They dive into Dave’s top five AI predictions, with a special focus on the rise of agentic AI—AI that doesn’t just suggest, but acts. Dave explains the difference between generative AI and intelligent agents, why integration via APIs is the key to agent success, and how government agencies can prepare now.
Listeners will learn:
What “large action models” (LAMs) are, and how they differ from large language models
How AI agents are already reducing friction in Salesforce and Slack
Why AI success depends on access to high-quality, actionable data
What’s driving the shift toward small language models and what that means for secure, on-device AI
Why “agent-washing” is the new “AI-washing”—and how to spot it
What makes a truly impactful agent vs. a glorified chatbot
Dave’s favorite sci-fi robot, a monkey’s paw superpower wish, and what tech breakthrough he thinks is coming next
Key Topics:
[00:00] Intro &amp;amp; Dave’s blog: “5 AI Predictions for 2025”
[03:00] What’s an AI agent? Why they’re different from GenAI
[07:30] Real-world examples from Salesforce: Agentforce in action
[14:00] The importance of APIs for agent success
[15:45] Government use cases &amp;amp; security considerations
[18:00] Internal AI agents that reduce toil (meeting schedulers, IT help, expense reports)
[22:00] Cylon references &amp;amp; the power of digital labor in public sector
[29:00] Small Language Models: Why smaller might be better
[36:00] LLM Routers explained
[38:00] Fun Tech Talk Q&amp;amp;A (Superpowers, overhyped trends, sci-fi names)
Resources Mentioned:
📖 Dave's Blog: 5 AI Predictions for 2025: Opportunities Tech Leaders Must Seize This Year (https://blogs.mulesoft.com/digital-transformation/ai-predictions/)
💡 Trailhead Learning Platform from Salesforce: Learn to build your own agent (https://trailhead.salesforce.com/)
🤖 Help.Salesforce.com – Try Agentforce (https://help.salesforce.com/s/)
📺 Forbidden Planet (Robby the Robot) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet)
🐒 Monkey’s Paw story reference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw) Special Guest: Carolyn Ford.
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/cford" rel="nofollow">Carolyn Ford</a> welcomes back Dave Egts, Field CTO at MuleSoft, to <a href="https://techtransforms.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">Tech Transforms</a> to explore the transformative power of AI in 2025. They dive into Dave’s top five AI predictions, with a special focus on the rise of agentic AI—AI that doesn’t just suggest, but acts. Dave explains the difference between generative AI and intelligent agents, why integration via APIs is the key to agent success, and how government agencies can prepare now.</p>

<p>Listeners will learn:</p>

<p>What “large action models” (LAMs) are, and how they differ from large language models<br>
How AI agents are already reducing friction in Salesforce and Slack<br>
Why AI success depends on access to high-quality, actionable data<br>
What’s driving the shift toward small language models and what that means for secure, on-device AI<br>
Why “agent-washing” is the new “AI-washing”—and how to spot it<br>
What makes a truly impactful agent vs. a glorified chatbot<br>
Dave’s favorite sci-fi robot, a monkey’s paw superpower wish, and what tech breakthrough he thinks is coming next</p>

<p>Key Topics:</p>

<p>[00:00] Intro &amp; Dave’s blog: “5 AI Predictions for 2025”<br>
[03:00] What’s an AI agent? Why they’re different from GenAI<br>
[07:30] Real-world examples from Salesforce: Agentforce in action<br>
[14:00] The importance of APIs for agent success<br>
[15:45] Government use cases &amp; security considerations<br>
[18:00] Internal AI agents that reduce toil (meeting schedulers, IT help, expense reports)<br>
[22:00] Cylon references &amp; the power of digital labor in public sector<br>
[29:00] Small Language Models: Why smaller might be better<br>
[36:00] LLM Routers explained<br>
[38:00] Fun Tech Talk Q&amp;A (Superpowers, overhyped trends, sci-fi names)</p>

<p>Resources Mentioned:</p>

<p>📖 <a href="https://blogs.mulesoft.com/digital-transformation/ai-predictions/" rel="nofollow">Dave&#39;s Blog: 5 AI Predictions for 2025: Opportunities Tech Leaders Must Seize This Year</a><br>
💡 <a href="https://trailhead.salesforce.com/" rel="nofollow">Trailhead Learning Platform from Salesforce: Learn to build your own agent</a><br>
🤖 <a href="https://help.salesforce.com/s/" rel="nofollow">Help.Salesforce.com – Try Agentforce</a><br>
📺 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet" rel="nofollow">Forbidden Planet (Robby the Robot)</a><br>
🐒 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw" rel="nofollow">Monkey’s Paw story reference</a></p><p>Special Guest: Carolyn Ford.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/cford" rel="nofollow">Carolyn Ford</a> welcomes back Dave Egts, Field CTO at MuleSoft, to <a href="https://techtransforms.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">Tech Transforms</a> to explore the transformative power of AI in 2025. They dive into Dave’s top five AI predictions, with a special focus on the rise of agentic AI—AI that doesn’t just suggest, but acts. Dave explains the difference between generative AI and intelligent agents, why integration via APIs is the key to agent success, and how government agencies can prepare now.</p>

<p>Listeners will learn:</p>

<p>What “large action models” (LAMs) are, and how they differ from large language models<br>
How AI agents are already reducing friction in Salesforce and Slack<br>
Why AI success depends on access to high-quality, actionable data<br>
What’s driving the shift toward small language models and what that means for secure, on-device AI<br>
Why “agent-washing” is the new “AI-washing”—and how to spot it<br>
What makes a truly impactful agent vs. a glorified chatbot<br>
Dave’s favorite sci-fi robot, a monkey’s paw superpower wish, and what tech breakthrough he thinks is coming next</p>

<p>Key Topics:</p>

<p>[00:00] Intro &amp; Dave’s blog: “5 AI Predictions for 2025”<br>
[03:00] What’s an AI agent? Why they’re different from GenAI<br>
[07:30] Real-world examples from Salesforce: Agentforce in action<br>
[14:00] The importance of APIs for agent success<br>
[15:45] Government use cases &amp; security considerations<br>
[18:00] Internal AI agents that reduce toil (meeting schedulers, IT help, expense reports)<br>
[22:00] Cylon references &amp; the power of digital labor in public sector<br>
[29:00] Small Language Models: Why smaller might be better<br>
[36:00] LLM Routers explained<br>
[38:00] Fun Tech Talk Q&amp;A (Superpowers, overhyped trends, sci-fi names)</p>

<p>Resources Mentioned:</p>

<p>📖 <a href="https://blogs.mulesoft.com/digital-transformation/ai-predictions/" rel="nofollow">Dave&#39;s Blog: 5 AI Predictions for 2025: Opportunities Tech Leaders Must Seize This Year</a><br>
💡 <a href="https://trailhead.salesforce.com/" rel="nofollow">Trailhead Learning Platform from Salesforce: Learn to build your own agent</a><br>
🤖 <a href="https://help.salesforce.com/s/" rel="nofollow">Help.Salesforce.com – Try Agentforce</a><br>
📺 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet" rel="nofollow">Forbidden Planet (Robby the Robot)</a><br>
🐒 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw" rel="nofollow">Monkey’s Paw story reference</a></p><p>Special Guest: Carolyn Ford.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 223: Digital Skinner Box</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2021 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about teaching AI art and sarcasm, teaching humans dark patterns, and teaching all dogs new tricks</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>40:51</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about teaching AI art and sarcasm, teaching humans dark patterns, and teaching all dogs new tricks
Apple AirCans (https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-airpods/airpods-max/silver)
Mi Band 6 (https://www.mi.com/global/product/mi-smart-band-6/overview)
New mystery AWS product 'Infinidash' goes viral — despite being entirely fictional (https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/05/infinidash/)
Introducing AWS Infinidash - WITH DEMO! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pt3KUb7kog)
Open Thread: The Unreal Engine Trick (https://www.todayintabs.com/p/unreal-engine-trick?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo4MzQxNjk5LCJwb3N0X2lkIjozNzIxMTU5OSwiXyI6IktpWXdQIiwiaWF0IjoxNjIyOTI0Mjk3LCJleHAiOjE2MjI5Mjc4OTcsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0yNDEzOTgiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.vAhsPy5gQ8E6cu4GN-9N6FXnOMCd82yXGMFU7tEetmQ)
Today in Tabs (https://www.todayintabs.com/) by Rusty Foster
A DARPA Sarcasm Detector Is Good (https://gizmodo.com/a-darpa-sarcasm-detector-is-good-1846991265)
'Terms &amp;amp; Conditions Apply' Is a Game That Dares You to Opt-Out (https://gizmodo.com/terms-conditions-apply-is-a-game-that-dares-you-to-op-1846956990)
Paranoia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia_(role-playing_game)) RPG
DOOM Captcha (https://vivirenremoto.github.io/doomcaptcha/)
Giving a Dog the Ability to Speak Using Simple Buttons (https://www.hackster.io/news/giving-a-dog-the-ability-to-speak-using-simple-buttons-a0c158b96da2)
I've spoken to 2,000+ people about remote work in the last 12 months: A few predictions of what is likely to emerge before 2030 (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1408035986844569606.html)
Maker’s Schedule, Manager’s Schedule (http://paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html)
Cutting Room Floor
* Watch “Hi-Fi-Fo-Fum,” a Short Satirical Film About the Invention of the Audiophile (1959) (https://www.openculture.com/?p=1089040): "There is a man in Wimbledon who will go on adding to his equipment until he can hear the sigh of the conductor as the piccolo misses its entry"
* The Space Shuttle Console Archive: The Joy of A Beautiful Button (https://flashbak.com/the-space-shuttle-console-archive-the-joy-of-a-beautiful-button-442279/)
* This A.I. Is Supposed To Create Inspiring Images, But The Results Are Hilarious Instead (https://designyoutrust.com/2021/03/this-a-i-is-supposed-to-create-inspiring-images-but-the-results-are-hilarious-instead/)
We Give Thanks
* The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Apple AirPods Max, Mi Band 6, Mi Band, AWS, Infinidash, AI, Unreal Engine, Today in Tabs, DARPA, sarcasm, Sarcasm Detector, Terms and Conditions, Paranoia, RPG, DOOM, DOOM Captcha, dogs, communication, remote work, predictions, Maker's Schedule Manager's Schedule, audiophiles, space shuttle, controls, inspirational art</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about teaching AI art and sarcasm, teaching humans dark patterns, and teaching all dogs new tricks</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-airpods/airpods-max/silver" rel="nofollow">Apple AirCans</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mi.com/global/product/mi-smart-band-6/overview" rel="nofollow">Mi Band 6</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/05/infinidash/" rel="nofollow">New mystery AWS product &#39;Infinidash&#39; goes viral — despite being entirely fictional</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pt3KUb7kog" rel="nofollow">Introducing AWS Infinidash - WITH DEMO!</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.todayintabs.com/p/unreal-engine-trick?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo4MzQxNjk5LCJwb3N0X2lkIjozNzIxMTU5OSwiXyI6IktpWXdQIiwiaWF0IjoxNjIyOTI0Mjk3LCJleHAiOjE2MjI5Mjc4OTcsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0yNDEzOTgiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.vAhsPy5gQ8E6cu4GN-9N6FXnOMCd82yXGMFU7tEetmQ" rel="nofollow">Open Thread: The Unreal Engine Trick</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.todayintabs.com/" rel="nofollow">Today in Tabs</a> by Rusty Foster</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/a-darpa-sarcasm-detector-is-good-1846991265" rel="nofollow">A DARPA Sarcasm Detector Is Good</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/terms-conditions-apply-is-a-game-that-dares-you-to-op-1846956990" rel="nofollow">&#39;Terms &amp; Conditions Apply&#39; Is a Game That Dares You to Opt-Out</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia_(role-playing_game)" rel="nofollow">Paranoia</a> RPG</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://vivirenremoto.github.io/doomcaptcha/" rel="nofollow">DOOM Captcha</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hackster.io/news/giving-a-dog-the-ability-to-speak-using-simple-buttons-a0c158b96da2" rel="nofollow">Giving a Dog the Ability to Speak Using Simple Buttons</a></li>
<li><a href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1408035986844569606.html" rel="nofollow">I&#39;ve spoken to 2,000+ people about remote work in the last 12 months: A few predictions of what is likely to emerge before 2030</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html" rel="nofollow">Maker’s Schedule, Manager’s Schedule</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.openculture.com/?p=1089040" rel="nofollow">Watch “Hi-Fi-Fo-Fum,” a Short Satirical Film About the Invention of the Audiophile (1959)</a>: &quot;There is a man in Wimbledon who will go on adding to his equipment until he can hear the sigh of the conductor as the piccolo misses its entry&quot;</li>
<li><a href="https://flashbak.com/the-space-shuttle-console-archive-the-joy-of-a-beautiful-button-442279/" rel="nofollow">The Space Shuttle Console Archive: The Joy of A Beautiful Button</a></li>
<li><a href="https://designyoutrust.com/2021/03/this-a-i-is-supposed-to-create-inspiring-images-but-the-results-are-hilarious-instead/" rel="nofollow">This A.I. Is Supposed To Create Inspiring Images, But The Results Are Hilarious Instead</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about teaching AI art and sarcasm, teaching humans dark patterns, and teaching all dogs new tricks</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-airpods/airpods-max/silver" rel="nofollow">Apple AirCans</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mi.com/global/product/mi-smart-band-6/overview" rel="nofollow">Mi Band 6</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/05/infinidash/" rel="nofollow">New mystery AWS product &#39;Infinidash&#39; goes viral — despite being entirely fictional</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pt3KUb7kog" rel="nofollow">Introducing AWS Infinidash - WITH DEMO!</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.todayintabs.com/p/unreal-engine-trick?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo4MzQxNjk5LCJwb3N0X2lkIjozNzIxMTU5OSwiXyI6IktpWXdQIiwiaWF0IjoxNjIyOTI0Mjk3LCJleHAiOjE2MjI5Mjc4OTcsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0yNDEzOTgiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.vAhsPy5gQ8E6cu4GN-9N6FXnOMCd82yXGMFU7tEetmQ" rel="nofollow">Open Thread: The Unreal Engine Trick</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.todayintabs.com/" rel="nofollow">Today in Tabs</a> by Rusty Foster</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/a-darpa-sarcasm-detector-is-good-1846991265" rel="nofollow">A DARPA Sarcasm Detector Is Good</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/terms-conditions-apply-is-a-game-that-dares-you-to-op-1846956990" rel="nofollow">&#39;Terms &amp; Conditions Apply&#39; Is a Game That Dares You to Opt-Out</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia_(role-playing_game)" rel="nofollow">Paranoia</a> RPG</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://vivirenremoto.github.io/doomcaptcha/" rel="nofollow">DOOM Captcha</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hackster.io/news/giving-a-dog-the-ability-to-speak-using-simple-buttons-a0c158b96da2" rel="nofollow">Giving a Dog the Ability to Speak Using Simple Buttons</a></li>
<li><a href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1408035986844569606.html" rel="nofollow">I&#39;ve spoken to 2,000+ people about remote work in the last 12 months: A few predictions of what is likely to emerge before 2030</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html" rel="nofollow">Maker’s Schedule, Manager’s Schedule</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.openculture.com/?p=1089040" rel="nofollow">Watch “Hi-Fi-Fo-Fum,” a Short Satirical Film About the Invention of the Audiophile (1959)</a>: &quot;There is a man in Wimbledon who will go on adding to his equipment until he can hear the sigh of the conductor as the piccolo misses its entry&quot;</li>
<li><a href="https://flashbak.com/the-space-shuttle-console-archive-the-joy-of-a-beautiful-button-442279/" rel="nofollow">The Space Shuttle Console Archive: The Joy of A Beautiful Button</a></li>
<li><a href="https://designyoutrust.com/2021/03/this-a-i-is-supposed-to-create-inspiring-images-but-the-results-are-hilarious-instead/" rel="nofollow">This A.I. Is Supposed To Create Inspiring Images, But The Results Are Hilarious Instead</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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