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  <title>Episode 278: I Know How the Butlerian Jihad Works</title>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about weaponized AI and seemingly conscious AI!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Virtual Customer Panels with &lt;a href="https://gemini.google/overview/gems/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gemini Gems&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dave vs. &lt;a href="https://www.ticketmaster.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Ticketmaster&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Totally unrelated: &lt;a href="https://theonion.com/cool-dad-raising-daughter-on-media-that-will-put-her-en-1819572981/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Cool Dad Raising Daughter On Media That Will Put Her Entirely Out Of Touch With Her Generation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://blog.trailofbits.com/2025/08/21/weaponizing-image-scaling-against-production-ai-systems/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Weaponizing image scaling against production AI systems&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.engadget.com/ai/anthropics-claude-stocked-a-fridge-with-metal-cubes-when-it-was-put-in-charge-of-a-snacks-business-162750304.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Anthropic's Claude stocked a fridge with metal cubes when it was put in charge of a snacks business&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Seemingly Conscious AI (SCAI)&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/seemingly-conscious-ai-is-coming" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;We must build AI for people, not to be a person&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.wired.com/story/microsofts-ai-chief-says-machine-consciousness-is-an-illusion/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Microsoft’s AI Chief Says Machine Consciousness Is an ‘Illusion’&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ohio-lawmaker-proposes-comprehensive-ban-on-marrying-ai-systems-and-granting-legal-personhood/ar-AA1OZhaG" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Ohio lawmaker proposes comprehensive ban on marrying AI systems and granting legal personhood&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://bogdanthegeek.github.io/blog/projects/vapeserver/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Hosting a WebSite on a Disposable Vape&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/09/27/how-many-phones-sport-a-5-and-1-4-diskette-drive-this-one/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;How Many Phones Sport A 5 And 1/4 Diskette Drive? This One.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.hemmings.com/listing/1990-airstream-all-models-478166" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;1990 Airstream NASA 025 Command Vehicle. A Once-in-a-Lifetime Investment Opportunity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk-Oq8iYtVA" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Steamed Hams but it's a Critically Acclaimed Feature Film&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;See also:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVmw3ZhdzEs" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Steamed Hams but it was banned in the USSR&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsof0cwFPY0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Steamed Hams but it's a German Expressionist Film&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY17_nraW68" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Steamed Hams but it's in Nazi Germany&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_dhUv_CrI" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Simpsons - Worker and Parasite&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/x9ze4c/possible_inspiration_for_worker_and_parasite/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Possible inspiration for Worker and Parasite?&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about weaponized AI and seemingly conscious AI!</p>

<ul>
<li>Virtual Customer Panels with <a href="https://gemini.google/overview/gems/" rel="nofollow">Gemini Gems</a><br></li>
<li>Dave vs. <a href="https://www.ticketmaster.com/" rel="nofollow">Ticketmaster</a><br>

<ul>
<li>Totally unrelated: <a href="https://theonion.com/cool-dad-raising-daughter-on-media-that-will-put-her-en-1819572981/" rel="nofollow">Cool Dad Raising Daughter On Media That Will Put Her Entirely Out Of Touch With Her Generation</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.trailofbits.com/2025/08/21/weaponizing-image-scaling-against-production-ai-systems/" rel="nofollow">Weaponizing image scaling against production AI systems</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.engadget.com/ai/anthropics-claude-stocked-a-fridge-with-metal-cubes-when-it-was-put-in-charge-of-a-snacks-business-162750304.html" rel="nofollow">Anthropic&#39;s Claude stocked a fridge with metal cubes when it was put in charge of a snacks business</a><br></li>
<li>Seemingly Conscious AI (SCAI)<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/seemingly-conscious-ai-is-coming" rel="nofollow">We must build AI for people, not to be a person</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/microsofts-ai-chief-says-machine-consciousness-is-an-illusion/" rel="nofollow">Microsoft’s AI Chief Says Machine Consciousness Is an ‘Illusion’</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ohio-lawmaker-proposes-comprehensive-ban-on-marrying-ai-systems-and-granting-legal-personhood/ar-AA1OZhaG" rel="nofollow">Ohio lawmaker proposes comprehensive ban on marrying AI systems and granting legal personhood</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://bogdanthegeek.github.io/blog/projects/vapeserver/" rel="nofollow">Hosting a WebSite on a Disposable Vape</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/09/27/how-many-phones-sport-a-5-and-1-4-diskette-drive-this-one/" rel="nofollow">How Many Phones Sport A 5 And 1/4 Diskette Drive? This One.</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hemmings.com/listing/1990-airstream-all-models-478166" rel="nofollow">1990 Airstream NASA 025 Command Vehicle. A Once-in-a-Lifetime Investment Opportunity</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk-Oq8iYtVA" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s a Critically Acclaimed Feature Film</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also:<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVmw3ZhdzEs" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it was banned in the USSR</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsof0cwFPY0" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s a German Expressionist Film</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY17_nraW68" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s in Nazi Germany</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_dhUv_CrI" rel="nofollow">The Simpsons - Worker and Parasite</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/x9ze4c/possible_inspiration_for_worker_and_parasite/" rel="nofollow">Possible inspiration for Worker and Parasite?</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about weaponized AI and seemingly conscious AI!</p>

<ul>
<li>Virtual Customer Panels with <a href="https://gemini.google/overview/gems/" rel="nofollow">Gemini Gems</a><br></li>
<li>Dave vs. <a href="https://www.ticketmaster.com/" rel="nofollow">Ticketmaster</a><br>

<ul>
<li>Totally unrelated: <a href="https://theonion.com/cool-dad-raising-daughter-on-media-that-will-put-her-en-1819572981/" rel="nofollow">Cool Dad Raising Daughter On Media That Will Put Her Entirely Out Of Touch With Her Generation</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.trailofbits.com/2025/08/21/weaponizing-image-scaling-against-production-ai-systems/" rel="nofollow">Weaponizing image scaling against production AI systems</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.engadget.com/ai/anthropics-claude-stocked-a-fridge-with-metal-cubes-when-it-was-put-in-charge-of-a-snacks-business-162750304.html" rel="nofollow">Anthropic&#39;s Claude stocked a fridge with metal cubes when it was put in charge of a snacks business</a><br></li>
<li>Seemingly Conscious AI (SCAI)<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/seemingly-conscious-ai-is-coming" rel="nofollow">We must build AI for people, not to be a person</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/microsofts-ai-chief-says-machine-consciousness-is-an-illusion/" rel="nofollow">Microsoft’s AI Chief Says Machine Consciousness Is an ‘Illusion’</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ohio-lawmaker-proposes-comprehensive-ban-on-marrying-ai-systems-and-granting-legal-personhood/ar-AA1OZhaG" rel="nofollow">Ohio lawmaker proposes comprehensive ban on marrying AI systems and granting legal personhood</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://bogdanthegeek.github.io/blog/projects/vapeserver/" rel="nofollow">Hosting a WebSite on a Disposable Vape</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/09/27/how-many-phones-sport-a-5-and-1-4-diskette-drive-this-one/" rel="nofollow">How Many Phones Sport A 5 And 1/4 Diskette Drive? This One.</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hemmings.com/listing/1990-airstream-all-models-478166" rel="nofollow">1990 Airstream NASA 025 Command Vehicle. A Once-in-a-Lifetime Investment Opportunity</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk-Oq8iYtVA" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s a Critically Acclaimed Feature Film</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also:<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVmw3ZhdzEs" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it was banned in the USSR</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsof0cwFPY0" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s a German Expressionist Film</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY17_nraW68" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s in Nazi Germany</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_dhUv_CrI" rel="nofollow">The Simpsons - Worker and Parasite</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/x9ze4c/possible_inspiration_for_worker_and_parasite/" rel="nofollow">Possible inspiration for Worker and Parasite?</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>]]>
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