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  <title>Episode 275: I'll Visit You in Jail</title>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about hidden signals in AI models and hidden signals in birds!
Agentic Google App Scripts (https://github.com/ghelleks/email-labeler-agent)  
Fake Music (https://www.youtube.com/@FakemusicBr)!  
Iron Man ( Soul/Funk) Version 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPocWcaCMA4)  
Don't You (Forget About Me) ( Soul) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-5xm2VsB8)
See also: The Klezmonauts -- Oy to the World: A Klezmer Christmas (https://www.allmusic.com/album/oy-to-the-world-a-klezmer-christmas-mw0000617319)
Subliminal Learning: Language Models Transmit Behavioral Traits via Hidden Signals in Data (https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/)  
China foes get worse results using DeepSeek, research suggests — CrowdStrike finds nearly twice as many flaws in AI-generated code for IS, Falun Gong, Tibet, and Taiwan (https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-foes-get-worse-results-using-deepseek-research-suggests-crowdstrike-finds-nearly-twice-as-many-flaws-in-ai-generated-code-for-is-falun-gong-tibet-and-taiwan)  
AVIF: The Avian Image Format (https://hackaday.com/2025/07/29/avif-the-avian-image-format/)
Cutting Room Floor
* I made headphones with integrated CD player, remote control, battery, disc storage, and jewel box compartment (https://www.reddit.com/r/DiWHY/comments/1mlrl4q/i_made_headphones_with_integrated_cd_player/)  
* Building a DOOM-like multiplayer shooter in pure SQL (https://cedardb.com/blog/doomql/)  
* Phishy URL (https://phishyurl.com/): Are your links not malicious looking enough?  
  * See also: https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;amp;firewall=exploit&amp;amp;id=c280 (https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;amp;firewall=exploit&amp;amp;id=c280)  
* URL Lengthener (https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener)  
  * See also: https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG (https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG) 
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  <itunes:keywords>Agentic AI, email, Gemini, Fake Music, AI-generated music, music, Iron Man, Don't You (Forget About Me), The Klezmonauts, CD players, Doom, SQL, phishing, URL lengtheners, subliminal learning, AI models, distillation, owls, DeepSeek, AI code generation, AVIF, avian image format, birds, ultrasonics, birdsongs, image generation, steganography, the Klezmonauts</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about hidden signals in AI models and hidden signals in birds!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ghelleks/email-labeler-agent" rel="nofollow">Agentic Google App Scripts</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FakemusicBr" rel="nofollow">Fake Music</a>!<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPocWcaCMA4" rel="nofollow">Iron Man ( Soul/Funk) Version 2</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-5xm2VsB8" rel="nofollow">Don&#39;t You (Forget About Me) ( Soul)</a></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.allmusic.com/album/oy-to-the-world-a-klezmer-christmas-mw0000617319" rel="nofollow">The Klezmonauts -- Oy to the World: A Klezmer Christmas</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Subliminal Learning: <a href="https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/" rel="nofollow">Language Models Transmit Behavioral Traits via Hidden Signals in Data</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-foes-get-worse-results-using-deepseek-research-suggests-crowdstrike-finds-nearly-twice-as-many-flaws-in-ai-generated-code-for-is-falun-gong-tibet-and-taiwan" rel="nofollow">China foes get worse results using DeepSeek, research suggests — CrowdStrike finds nearly twice as many flaws in AI-generated code for IS, Falun Gong, Tibet, and Taiwan</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/07/29/avif-the-avian-image-format/" rel="nofollow">AVIF: The Avian Image Format</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DiWHY/comments/1mlrl4q/i_made_headphones_with_integrated_cd_player/" rel="nofollow">I made headphones with integrated CD player, remote control, battery, disc storage, and jewel box compartment</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://cedardb.com/blog/doomql/" rel="nofollow">Building a DOOM-like multiplayer shooter in pure SQL</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://phishyurl.com/" rel="nofollow">Phishy URL</a>: Are your links not malicious looking enough?<br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&firewall=exploit&id=c280" rel="nofollow">https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;firewall=exploit&amp;id=c280</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener" rel="nofollow">URL Lengthener</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/%F0%9F%94%A5/the/%F0%9F%98%B5%E2%80%8D%F0%9F%92%AB/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG" rel="nofollow">https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG</a></li>
</ul></li>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about hidden signals in AI models and hidden signals in birds!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ghelleks/email-labeler-agent" rel="nofollow">Agentic Google App Scripts</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FakemusicBr" rel="nofollow">Fake Music</a>!<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPocWcaCMA4" rel="nofollow">Iron Man ( Soul/Funk) Version 2</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-5xm2VsB8" rel="nofollow">Don&#39;t You (Forget About Me) ( Soul)</a></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.allmusic.com/album/oy-to-the-world-a-klezmer-christmas-mw0000617319" rel="nofollow">The Klezmonauts -- Oy to the World: A Klezmer Christmas</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Subliminal Learning: <a href="https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/" rel="nofollow">Language Models Transmit Behavioral Traits via Hidden Signals in Data</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-foes-get-worse-results-using-deepseek-research-suggests-crowdstrike-finds-nearly-twice-as-many-flaws-in-ai-generated-code-for-is-falun-gong-tibet-and-taiwan" rel="nofollow">China foes get worse results using DeepSeek, research suggests — CrowdStrike finds nearly twice as many flaws in AI-generated code for IS, Falun Gong, Tibet, and Taiwan</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/07/29/avif-the-avian-image-format/" rel="nofollow">AVIF: The Avian Image Format</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DiWHY/comments/1mlrl4q/i_made_headphones_with_integrated_cd_player/" rel="nofollow">I made headphones with integrated CD player, remote control, battery, disc storage, and jewel box compartment</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://cedardb.com/blog/doomql/" rel="nofollow">Building a DOOM-like multiplayer shooter in pure SQL</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://phishyurl.com/" rel="nofollow">Phishy URL</a>: Are your links not malicious looking enough?<br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&firewall=exploit&id=c280" rel="nofollow">https://pc-helper.xyz/adware-bot/ransomware_launcher_tool.exe?attachment=overwrite&amp;firewall=exploit&amp;id=c280</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener" rel="nofollow">URL Lengthener</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also: <a href="https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/%F0%9F%94%A5/the/%F0%9F%98%B5%E2%80%8D%F0%9F%92%AB/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG" rel="nofollow">https://www.namitjain.com/tools/url-lengthener/r/🔥/the/😵‍💫/going/mega?data=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZkZ3Nob3cub3JnJTJG</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 220: Is It a Zip File? Is It an MP3? You Decide!</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2021 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/1b67eddd-d80f-444d-ba32-aa9ef36b589d/d395cf59-f843-412b-8985-00fe3e8a5a00.mp3" length="12961548" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about abusing Whatsapp, abusing Twitter, abusing LinkedIn, and abusing GPT-3</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>27:00</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://twitter.com/davidegts) and Gunnar (http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about) talk about abusing Whatsapp, abusing Twitter, abusing LinkedIn, and abusing GPT-3
  Austin has passed Prop B, reinstating the public camping ban. What happens now? (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/austin-has-passed-prop-b-reinstating-the-public-camping-ban-what-happens-now/ar-BB1gjBfT)
  Meanwhile in Richmond: Steelers draft pick Najee Harris throws party at homeless shelter where he once lived (https://www.woodtv.com/news/national/steelers-draft-pick-najee-harris-throws-party-at-homeless-shelter-where-he-once-lived/)
  FTC issues stern warning: Biased AI may break the law (https://www.protocol.com/ftc-bias-ai)
  How a WhatsApp status loophole is aiding cyberstalkers (https://traced.app/2021/04/13/whatsapp-status-loophole-is-aiding-cyberstalkers/)
  Face editing: Japanese biker tricks internet into thinking he is a young woman (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56447357)
  Twitter images can be abused to hide ZIP, MP3 files — here's how (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/twitter-images-can-be-abused-to-hide-zip-mp3-files-heres-how/)
  Try it yourself
  Download this (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ewo_O6zWUAAWizr?format=png&amp;amp;name=large) as surprise.png
  Open the file
  Rename surprise.png to surprise.mp3
  Open the file
  This developer created the fake programming language MOVA to catch out naughty recruiters, résumé padders (https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/10/fake_mova_programming/)
  He looks forward to seeing everyone at MOVAcon '21 in Agloe, NY (https://agloenewyork.com/about/).
  GPT-3 tries pickup lines (https://janellecshane.substack.com/p/gpt-3-tries-pickup-lines)
Cutting Room Floor
*   You'll Want to Avoid Typos at ALL Costs With this Hand Grenade Keyboard (https://gizmodo.com/youll-want-to-avoid-typos-at-all-costs-with-this-hand-g-1846712101)
*   This Freaky Little 'Eyecam' Wants You to Know Your Computer Is Watching You (https://www.vice.com/en/article/akgw3j/eyecam-webcam-wants-you-to-know-your-computer-is-watching-you)
*   Nuclear Reactor Wall Charts – 1956-1998 (https://flashbak.com/nuclear-reactor-wall-charts-1956-1998-441062/)
We Give Thanks
*   The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Austin, Proposition B, Prop B, homelessness, Richmond, Najee Harris, Steelers, FTC, AI, AI bias, WhatsApp, cyberstaking, FaceApp, Japan, Twitter, png, mp3, zip, steganography, MOVA, MOVAcon, Algoe, GPT-3, pickup lines</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about abusing Whatsapp, abusing Twitter, abusing LinkedIn, and abusing GPT-3</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/austin-has-passed-prop-b-reinstating-the-public-camping-ban-what-happens-now/ar-BB1gjBfT" rel="nofollow">Austin has passed Prop B, reinstating the public camping ban. What happens now?</a></li>
<li>  Meanwhile in Richmond: <a href="https://www.woodtv.com/news/national/steelers-draft-pick-najee-harris-throws-party-at-homeless-shelter-where-he-once-lived/" rel="nofollow">Steelers draft pick Najee Harris throws party at homeless shelter where he once lived</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.protocol.com/ftc-bias-ai" rel="nofollow">FTC issues stern warning: Biased AI may break the law</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://traced.app/2021/04/13/whatsapp-status-loophole-is-aiding-cyberstalkers/" rel="nofollow">How a WhatsApp status loophole is aiding cyberstalkers</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56447357" rel="nofollow">Face editing: Japanese biker tricks internet into thinking he is a young woman</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/twitter-images-can-be-abused-to-hide-zip-mp3-files-heres-how/" rel="nofollow">Twitter images can be abused to hide ZIP, MP3 files — here&#39;s how</a>

<ul>
<li>  Try it yourself

<ul>
<li>  Download <a href="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ewo_O6zWUAAWizr?format=png&name=large" rel="nofollow">this</a> as surprise.png</li>
<li>  Open the file</li>
<li>  Rename surprise.png to surprise.mp3</li>
<li>  Open the file</li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/10/fake_mova_programming/" rel="nofollow">This developer created the fake programming language MOVA to catch out naughty recruiters, résumé padders</a>

<ul>
<li>  He looks forward to seeing everyone at MOVAcon &#39;21 in <a href="https://agloenewyork.com/about/" rel="nofollow">Agloe, NY</a>.</li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://janellecshane.substack.com/p/gpt-3-tries-pickup-lines" rel="nofollow">GPT-3 tries pickup lines</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gizmodo.com/youll-want-to-avoid-typos-at-all-costs-with-this-hand-g-1846712101" rel="nofollow">You&#39;ll Want to Avoid Typos at ALL Costs With this Hand Grenade Keyboard</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/akgw3j/eyecam-webcam-wants-you-to-know-your-computer-is-watching-you" rel="nofollow">This Freaky Little &#39;Eyecam&#39; Wants You to Know Your Computer Is Watching You</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://flashbak.com/nuclear-reactor-wall-charts-1956-1998-441062/" rel="nofollow">Nuclear Reactor Wall Charts – 1956-1998</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://twitter.com/davidegts" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="http://atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/about" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about abusing Whatsapp, abusing Twitter, abusing LinkedIn, and abusing GPT-3</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/austin-has-passed-prop-b-reinstating-the-public-camping-ban-what-happens-now/ar-BB1gjBfT" rel="nofollow">Austin has passed Prop B, reinstating the public camping ban. What happens now?</a></li>
<li>  Meanwhile in Richmond: <a href="https://www.woodtv.com/news/national/steelers-draft-pick-najee-harris-throws-party-at-homeless-shelter-where-he-once-lived/" rel="nofollow">Steelers draft pick Najee Harris throws party at homeless shelter where he once lived</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.protocol.com/ftc-bias-ai" rel="nofollow">FTC issues stern warning: Biased AI may break the law</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://traced.app/2021/04/13/whatsapp-status-loophole-is-aiding-cyberstalkers/" rel="nofollow">How a WhatsApp status loophole is aiding cyberstalkers</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56447357" rel="nofollow">Face editing: Japanese biker tricks internet into thinking he is a young woman</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/twitter-images-can-be-abused-to-hide-zip-mp3-files-heres-how/" rel="nofollow">Twitter images can be abused to hide ZIP, MP3 files — here&#39;s how</a>

<ul>
<li>  Try it yourself

<ul>
<li>  Download <a href="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ewo_O6zWUAAWizr?format=png&name=large" rel="nofollow">this</a> as surprise.png</li>
<li>  Open the file</li>
<li>  Rename surprise.png to surprise.mp3</li>
<li>  Open the file</li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/10/fake_mova_programming/" rel="nofollow">This developer created the fake programming language MOVA to catch out naughty recruiters, résumé padders</a>

<ul>
<li>  He looks forward to seeing everyone at MOVAcon &#39;21 in <a href="https://agloenewyork.com/about/" rel="nofollow">Agloe, NY</a>.</li>
</ul></li>
<li>  <a href="https://janellecshane.substack.com/p/gpt-3-tries-pickup-lines" rel="nofollow">GPT-3 tries pickup lines</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gizmodo.com/youll-want-to-avoid-typos-at-all-costs-with-this-hand-g-1846712101" rel="nofollow">You&#39;ll Want to Avoid Typos at ALL Costs With this Hand Grenade Keyboard</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/akgw3j/eyecam-webcam-wants-you-to-know-your-computer-is-watching-you" rel="nofollow">This Freaky Little &#39;Eyecam&#39; Wants You to Know Your Computer Is Watching You</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://flashbak.com/nuclear-reactor-wall-charts-1956-1998-441062/" rel="nofollow">Nuclear Reactor Wall Charts – 1956-1998</a></li>
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<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

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<li>  The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
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