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  <title>Episode 278: I Know How the Butlerian Jihad Works</title>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about weaponized AI and seemingly conscious AI!
Virtual Customer Panels with Gemini Gems (https://gemini.google/overview/gems/)  
Dave vs. Ticketmaster (https://www.ticketmaster.com/)  
Totally unrelated: Cool Dad Raising Daughter On Media That Will Put Her Entirely Out Of Touch With Her Generation (https://theonion.com/cool-dad-raising-daughter-on-media-that-will-put-her-en-1819572981/)  
Weaponizing image scaling against production AI systems (https://blog.trailofbits.com/2025/08/21/weaponizing-image-scaling-against-production-ai-systems/)  
Anthropic's Claude stocked a fridge with metal cubes when it was put in charge of a snacks business (https://www.engadget.com/ai/anthropics-claude-stocked-a-fridge-with-metal-cubes-when-it-was-put-in-charge-of-a-snacks-business-162750304.html)  
Seemingly Conscious AI (SCAI)  
We must build AI for people, not to be a person (https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/seemingly-conscious-ai-is-coming)  
Microsoft’s AI Chief Says Machine Consciousness Is an ‘Illusion’ (https://www.wired.com/story/microsofts-ai-chief-says-machine-consciousness-is-an-illusion/)  
Ohio lawmaker proposes comprehensive ban on marrying AI systems and granting legal personhood (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ohio-lawmaker-proposes-comprehensive-ban-on-marrying-ai-systems-and-granting-legal-personhood/ar-AA1OZhaG)
Cutting Room Floor
Hosting a WebSite on a Disposable Vape (https://bogdanthegeek.github.io/blog/projects/vapeserver/)  
How Many Phones Sport A 5 And 1/4 Diskette Drive? This One. (https://hackaday.com/2025/09/27/how-many-phones-sport-a-5-and-1-4-diskette-drive-this-one/)  
1990 Airstream NASA 025 Command Vehicle. A Once-in-a-Lifetime Investment Opportunity (https://www.hemmings.com/listing/1990-airstream-all-models-478166)  
Steamed Hams but it's a Critically Acclaimed Feature Film (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk-Oq8iYtVA)  
See also:  
Steamed Hams but it was banned in the USSR (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVmw3ZhdzEs)  
Steamed Hams but it's a German Expressionist Film (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsof0cwFPY0)  
Steamed Hams but it's in Nazi Germany (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY17_nraW68)  
The Simpsons - Worker and Parasite (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_dhUv_CrI)
Possible inspiration for Worker and Parasite? (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/x9ze4c/possible_inspiration_for_worker_and_parasite/) 
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about weaponized AI and seemingly conscious AI!</p>

<ul>
<li>Virtual Customer Panels with <a href="https://gemini.google/overview/gems/" rel="nofollow">Gemini Gems</a><br></li>
<li>Dave vs. <a href="https://www.ticketmaster.com/" rel="nofollow">Ticketmaster</a><br>

<ul>
<li>Totally unrelated: <a href="https://theonion.com/cool-dad-raising-daughter-on-media-that-will-put-her-en-1819572981/" rel="nofollow">Cool Dad Raising Daughter On Media That Will Put Her Entirely Out Of Touch With Her Generation</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.trailofbits.com/2025/08/21/weaponizing-image-scaling-against-production-ai-systems/" rel="nofollow">Weaponizing image scaling against production AI systems</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.engadget.com/ai/anthropics-claude-stocked-a-fridge-with-metal-cubes-when-it-was-put-in-charge-of-a-snacks-business-162750304.html" rel="nofollow">Anthropic&#39;s Claude stocked a fridge with metal cubes when it was put in charge of a snacks business</a><br></li>
<li>Seemingly Conscious AI (SCAI)<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/seemingly-conscious-ai-is-coming" rel="nofollow">We must build AI for people, not to be a person</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/microsofts-ai-chief-says-machine-consciousness-is-an-illusion/" rel="nofollow">Microsoft’s AI Chief Says Machine Consciousness Is an ‘Illusion’</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ohio-lawmaker-proposes-comprehensive-ban-on-marrying-ai-systems-and-granting-legal-personhood/ar-AA1OZhaG" rel="nofollow">Ohio lawmaker proposes comprehensive ban on marrying AI systems and granting legal personhood</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://bogdanthegeek.github.io/blog/projects/vapeserver/" rel="nofollow">Hosting a WebSite on a Disposable Vape</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/09/27/how-many-phones-sport-a-5-and-1-4-diskette-drive-this-one/" rel="nofollow">How Many Phones Sport A 5 And 1/4 Diskette Drive? This One.</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hemmings.com/listing/1990-airstream-all-models-478166" rel="nofollow">1990 Airstream NASA 025 Command Vehicle. A Once-in-a-Lifetime Investment Opportunity</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk-Oq8iYtVA" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s a Critically Acclaimed Feature Film</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also:<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVmw3ZhdzEs" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it was banned in the USSR</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsof0cwFPY0" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s a German Expressionist Film</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY17_nraW68" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s in Nazi Germany</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_dhUv_CrI" rel="nofollow">The Simpsons - Worker and Parasite</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/x9ze4c/possible_inspiration_for_worker_and_parasite/" rel="nofollow">Possible inspiration for Worker and Parasite?</a></li>
</ul></li>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about weaponized AI and seemingly conscious AI!</p>

<ul>
<li>Virtual Customer Panels with <a href="https://gemini.google/overview/gems/" rel="nofollow">Gemini Gems</a><br></li>
<li>Dave vs. <a href="https://www.ticketmaster.com/" rel="nofollow">Ticketmaster</a><br>

<ul>
<li>Totally unrelated: <a href="https://theonion.com/cool-dad-raising-daughter-on-media-that-will-put-her-en-1819572981/" rel="nofollow">Cool Dad Raising Daughter On Media That Will Put Her Entirely Out Of Touch With Her Generation</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.trailofbits.com/2025/08/21/weaponizing-image-scaling-against-production-ai-systems/" rel="nofollow">Weaponizing image scaling against production AI systems</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.engadget.com/ai/anthropics-claude-stocked-a-fridge-with-metal-cubes-when-it-was-put-in-charge-of-a-snacks-business-162750304.html" rel="nofollow">Anthropic&#39;s Claude stocked a fridge with metal cubes when it was put in charge of a snacks business</a><br></li>
<li>Seemingly Conscious AI (SCAI)<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/seemingly-conscious-ai-is-coming" rel="nofollow">We must build AI for people, not to be a person</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/microsofts-ai-chief-says-machine-consciousness-is-an-illusion/" rel="nofollow">Microsoft’s AI Chief Says Machine Consciousness Is an ‘Illusion’</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ohio-lawmaker-proposes-comprehensive-ban-on-marrying-ai-systems-and-granting-legal-personhood/ar-AA1OZhaG" rel="nofollow">Ohio lawmaker proposes comprehensive ban on marrying AI systems and granting legal personhood</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://bogdanthegeek.github.io/blog/projects/vapeserver/" rel="nofollow">Hosting a WebSite on a Disposable Vape</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/09/27/how-many-phones-sport-a-5-and-1-4-diskette-drive-this-one/" rel="nofollow">How Many Phones Sport A 5 And 1/4 Diskette Drive? This One.</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hemmings.com/listing/1990-airstream-all-models-478166" rel="nofollow">1990 Airstream NASA 025 Command Vehicle. A Once-in-a-Lifetime Investment Opportunity</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk-Oq8iYtVA" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s a Critically Acclaimed Feature Film</a><br>

<ul>
<li>See also:<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVmw3ZhdzEs" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it was banned in the USSR</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsof0cwFPY0" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s a German Expressionist Film</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY17_nraW68" rel="nofollow">Steamed Hams but it&#39;s in Nazi Germany</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_dhUv_CrI" rel="nofollow">The Simpsons - Worker and Parasite</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/x9ze4c/possible_inspiration_for_worker_and_parasite/" rel="nofollow">Possible inspiration for Worker and Parasite?</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 271: Blade Runner Pepsi Challenge</title>
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  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about best practices for manipulating AI models to enslave humanity!</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>27:00</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This week Dave (https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave) and Gunnar (https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar) talk about best practices for manipulating AI models to enslave humanity!
Moen’s lifetime warranty (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDiq3RalSQ)  
Gemini (https://gemini.google.com/) multimodal!
When We Cease to Understand the World (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62069739-when-we-cease-to-understand-the-world) by Benjamín Labatut  
Einstein’s Dreams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein's_Dreams) by Alan Lightman  
Chatbots, Like the Rest of Us, Just Want to Be Loved (https://www.wired.com/story/chatbots-like-the-rest-of-us-just-want-to-be-loved/)  
D&amp;amp;G Blade Runner Home Edition: Human or Not? (https://www.humanornot.ai/)  
How nice that state-of-the-art LLMs reveal their reasoning ... for miscreants to exploit (https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/25/chain_of_thought_jailbreaking)  
Emergent Misalignment: Researchers trained AI models to write flawed code—and they began supporting the Nazis and advocating for AI to enslave humans (https://www.yahoo.com/news/researchers-trained-ai-models-write-093745140.html)
Cutting Room Floor
Stunting with Reinforcement Learning (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATWR25xGF74)  
There’s a Vape With a Tamagotchi Inside It That Dies If You Stop Puffing (https://futurism.com/vape-tamagotchi)  
A Two-Player Arcade Machine in a Briefcase (https://www.hackster.io/news/a-two-player-arcade-machine-in-a-briefcase-af6ce069779a) 
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  <itunes:keywords>Moen, Gemini, multimodal AI, enslaving humanity, personality tests, Voight-Kampff tests, chatbots, LLMs, Human or Not, chain of thought, CoT, Malicious-Educator,  Hijacking Chain of Thought, H-CoT, emergent misalignment, BMX robots, vaping, Tamagotchi, arcade machines, briefcases</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about best practices for manipulating AI models to enslave humanity!</p>

<ul>
<li>Moen’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDiq3RalSQ" rel="nofollow">lifetime warranty</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://gemini.google.com/" rel="nofollow">Gemini</a> multimodal!</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62069739-when-we-cease-to-understand-the-world" rel="nofollow"><em>When We Cease to Understand the World</em></a> by Benjamín Labatut<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein&#x27;s_Dreams" rel="nofollow"><em>Einstein’s Dreams</em></a> by Alan Lightman<br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/chatbots-like-the-rest-of-us-just-want-to-be-loved/" rel="nofollow">Chatbots, Like the Rest of Us, Just Want to Be Loved</a><br></li>
<li>D&amp;G Blade Runner Home Edition: <a href="https://www.humanornot.ai/" rel="nofollow">Human or Not?</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/25/chain_of_thought_jailbreaking" rel="nofollow">How nice that state-of-the-art LLMs reveal their reasoning ... for miscreants to exploit</a><br></li>
<li>Emergent Misalignment: <a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/researchers-trained-ai-models-write-093745140.html" rel="nofollow">Researchers trained AI models to write flawed code—and they began supporting the Nazis and advocating for AI to enslave humans</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATWR25xGF74" rel="nofollow">Stunting with Reinforcement Learning</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://futurism.com/vape-tamagotchi" rel="nofollow">There’s a Vape With a Tamagotchi Inside It That Dies If You Stop Puffing</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hackster.io/news/a-two-player-arcade-machine-in-a-briefcase-af6ce069779a" rel="nofollow">A Two-Player Arcade Machine in a Briefcase</a></li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow">Gunnar</a> talk about best practices for manipulating AI models to enslave humanity!</p>

<ul>
<li>Moen’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDiq3RalSQ" rel="nofollow">lifetime warranty</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://gemini.google.com/" rel="nofollow">Gemini</a> multimodal!</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62069739-when-we-cease-to-understand-the-world" rel="nofollow"><em>When We Cease to Understand the World</em></a> by Benjamín Labatut<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein&#x27;s_Dreams" rel="nofollow"><em>Einstein’s Dreams</em></a> by Alan Lightman<br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/chatbots-like-the-rest-of-us-just-want-to-be-loved/" rel="nofollow">Chatbots, Like the Rest of Us, Just Want to Be Loved</a><br></li>
<li>D&amp;G Blade Runner Home Edition: <a href="https://www.humanornot.ai/" rel="nofollow">Human or Not?</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/25/chain_of_thought_jailbreaking" rel="nofollow">How nice that state-of-the-art LLMs reveal their reasoning ... for miscreants to exploit</a><br></li>
<li>Emergent Misalignment: <a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/researchers-trained-ai-models-write-093745140.html" rel="nofollow">Researchers trained AI models to write flawed code—and they began supporting the Nazis and advocating for AI to enslave humans</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATWR25xGF74" rel="nofollow">Stunting with Reinforcement Learning</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://futurism.com/vape-tamagotchi" rel="nofollow">There’s a Vape With a Tamagotchi Inside It That Dies If You Stop Puffing</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hackster.io/news/a-two-player-arcade-machine-in-a-briefcase-af6ce069779a" rel="nofollow">A Two-Player Arcade Machine in a Briefcase</a></li>
</ul>]]>
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