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    <pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2026 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
    <description>David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.</description>
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  <title>Episode 285: Location, Location, Threat Model</title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2026 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about markdown, caveman, and dark software factories!</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>36:33</itunes:duration>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about markdown, caveman, and dark software factories!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://warhammer40000.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Warhammer 40,000&lt;/a&gt;: “In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_Aren%27t_Real" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Birds Aren’t Real&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://news.slashdot.org/story/26/04/13/0115243/robot-birds-deployed-by-park-to-attract-real-birds---built-by-high-school-students" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Robot Birds Deployed by Park to Attract Real Birds - Built By High School Students&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://blog.cloudflare.com/markdown-for-agents/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Introducing Markdown for Agents&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Counterpoint: &lt;a href="https://bgslabs.org/blog/why-are-we-using-markdown/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Why the heck are we still using Markdown??&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;caveman&lt;/a&gt;: why use many token when few do trick&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;See also: &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Chinese" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Classical Chinese&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dark Software Factories&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDcgHzCBgmQ" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The 5 Levels of AI Coding (Why Most of You Won't Make It Past Level 2)&lt;/a&gt; by Nate B. Jones&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;StrongDM Software Factory: &lt;a href="https://factory.strongdm.ai/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Software Factories And The Agentic Moment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.danshapiro.com/blog/2026/01/the-five-levels-from-spicy-autocomplete-to-the-software-factory/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Five Levels: from Spicy Autocomplete to the Dark Factory&lt;/a&gt; by Dan Shapiro&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/208564/freedoms-forge-by-arthur-herman/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Freedom’s Forge&lt;/a&gt; by Arthur Herman&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXgkQ3nYeE" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;I Watched 3 Companies Lay Off Their Managers. All 3 Hit the Same Wall.&lt;/a&gt; by Nate B. Jones&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://editor.p5js.org/isohedral/full/vJa5RiZWs" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Interactive XKCD Dependency comic&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/19/A-Unique-Property-For-Sale-In-Pennsylvania/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;A Unique Property For Sale In Pennsylvania&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/16/Luxurious-Home-in-a-Decommissioned-Grain-Elevator/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Luxurious Home in a Decommissioned Grain Elevator&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk about markdown, caveman, and dark software factories!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://warhammer40000.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Warhammer 40,000</a>: “In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.”<br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_Aren%27t_Real" rel="nofollow noopener">Birds Aren’t Real</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://news.slashdot.org/story/26/04/13/0115243/robot-birds-deployed-by-park-to-attract-real-birds---built-by-high-school-students" rel="nofollow noopener">Robot Birds Deployed by Park to Attract Real Birds - Built By High School Students</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.cloudflare.com/markdown-for-agents/" rel="nofollow noopener">Introducing Markdown for Agents</a><br>

<ul>
<li>Counterpoint: <a href="https://bgslabs.org/blog/why-are-we-using-markdown/" rel="nofollow noopener">Why the heck are we still using Markdown??</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman" rel="nofollow noopener">caveman</a>: why use many token when few do trick<br></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Chinese" rel="nofollow noopener">Classical Chinese</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Dark Software Factories<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDcgHzCBgmQ" rel="nofollow noopener">The 5 Levels of AI Coding (Why Most of You Won't Make It Past Level 2)</a> by Nate B. Jones<br></li>
<li>StrongDM Software Factory: <a href="https://factory.strongdm.ai/" rel="nofollow noopener">Software Factories And The Agentic Moment</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.danshapiro.com/blog/2026/01/the-five-levels-from-spicy-autocomplete-to-the-software-factory/" rel="nofollow noopener">The Five Levels: from Spicy Autocomplete to the Dark Factory</a> by Dan Shapiro<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/208564/freedoms-forge-by-arthur-herman/" rel="nofollow noopener">Freedom’s Forge</a> by Arthur Herman<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXgkQ3nYeE" rel="nofollow noopener">I Watched 3 Companies Lay Off Their Managers. All 3 Hit the Same Wall.</a> by Nate B. Jones</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://editor.p5js.org/isohedral/full/vJa5RiZWs" rel="nofollow noopener">Interactive XKCD Dependency comic</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/19/A-Unique-Property-For-Sale-In-Pennsylvania/" rel="nofollow noopener">A Unique Property For Sale In Pennsylvania</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/16/Luxurious-Home-in-a-Decommissioned-Grain-Elevator/" rel="nofollow noopener">Luxurious Home in a Decommissioned Grain Elevator</a></li>
</ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk about markdown, caveman, and dark software factories!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://warhammer40000.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Warhammer 40,000</a>: “In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.”<br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_Aren%27t_Real" rel="nofollow noopener">Birds Aren’t Real</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://news.slashdot.org/story/26/04/13/0115243/robot-birds-deployed-by-park-to-attract-real-birds---built-by-high-school-students" rel="nofollow noopener">Robot Birds Deployed by Park to Attract Real Birds - Built By High School Students</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.cloudflare.com/markdown-for-agents/" rel="nofollow noopener">Introducing Markdown for Agents</a><br>

<ul>
<li>Counterpoint: <a href="https://bgslabs.org/blog/why-are-we-using-markdown/" rel="nofollow noopener">Why the heck are we still using Markdown??</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman" rel="nofollow noopener">caveman</a>: why use many token when few do trick<br></li>
<li>See also: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Chinese" rel="nofollow noopener">Classical Chinese</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Dark Software Factories<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDcgHzCBgmQ" rel="nofollow noopener">The 5 Levels of AI Coding (Why Most of You Won't Make It Past Level 2)</a> by Nate B. Jones<br></li>
<li>StrongDM Software Factory: <a href="https://factory.strongdm.ai/" rel="nofollow noopener">Software Factories And The Agentic Moment</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.danshapiro.com/blog/2026/01/the-five-levels-from-spicy-autocomplete-to-the-software-factory/" rel="nofollow noopener">The Five Levels: from Spicy Autocomplete to the Dark Factory</a> by Dan Shapiro<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/208564/freedoms-forge-by-arthur-herman/" rel="nofollow noopener">Freedom’s Forge</a> by Arthur Herman<br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXgkQ3nYeE" rel="nofollow noopener">I Watched 3 Companies Lay Off Their Managers. All 3 Hit the Same Wall.</a> by Nate B. Jones</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://editor.p5js.org/isohedral/full/vJa5RiZWs" rel="nofollow noopener">Interactive XKCD Dependency comic</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/19/A-Unique-Property-For-Sale-In-Pennsylvania/" rel="nofollow noopener">A Unique Property For Sale In Pennsylvania</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.neatorama.com/2026/02/16/Luxurious-Home-in-a-Decommissioned-Grain-Elevator/" rel="nofollow noopener">Luxurious Home in a Decommissioned Grain Elevator</a></li>
</ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 261: Not Bad if You Don’t Look Directly at Them</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2024 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about raising standards on masks and raising our standards on compiling reliable gazetteers with BS 7666!</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>33:56</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about raising standards on masks and raising our standards on compiling reliable gazetteers with BS 7666!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Gunnar explores the neighborhoood with &lt;a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;iNaturalist&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/seek" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Seek&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Black-bellied_Whistling-Duck/overview" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Black-bellied whistling duck&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dave saw 7 bands over 7 days&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hives" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Hives&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz1Jwyxd4tE" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Hate to Say I Told You So&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Fighters" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Foo Fighters&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Miller_Band" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Steve Miller Band&lt;/a&gt; (80!)&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_(band)" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Journey&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Def_Leppard" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Def Leppard&lt;/a&gt; (64!)&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loverboy" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Loverboy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Hagar" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Sammy Hagar&lt;/a&gt; (76!)&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.yuengling.com/americas-oldest-brewery-pottsville-pa/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Yuengling brewery tour&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/qudi/qudi-mask-2-self-expression-redefined" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Qudi Mask 2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/9Ivg6k9qmbc" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Watch this&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/thesteve0/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Steven Pousty&lt;/a&gt;, call your office: &lt;a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-68942321" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standards" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;British Standards&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSI_Group" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;BSI (British Standards Institution) Group&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://knowledge.bsigroup.com/articles/updating-the-national-standard-on-how-to-compile-a-reliable-gazetteer" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Updating the national standard on how to compile a reliable gazetteer&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#PACER" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;PACER and Aaron Swartz&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Related from Xkcd: &lt;a href="https://xkcd.com/327/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Exploits of a Mom&lt;/a&gt; with Little Johnny Tables&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Gunnar Hellekson, call your office: &lt;a href="https://hackaday.com/2024/07/12/holy-keyboard-case-batman/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Holy Keyboard Case, Batman!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://hackaday.com/2024/07/07/c-compiler-exists-entirely-in-vim/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;C Compiler Exists Entirely in Vim&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We Give Thanks&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/thesteve0/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Steven Pousty&lt;/a&gt; for inspiring us to channel our inner Steven Pousty!&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk about raising standards on masks and raising our standards on compiling reliable gazetteers with BS 7666!</p>

<ul>
<li>Gunnar explores the neighborhoood with <a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">iNaturalist</a> and <a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/seek" rel="nofollow noopener">Seek</a><br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Black-bellied_Whistling-Duck/overview" rel="nofollow noopener">Black-bellied whistling duck</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Dave saw 7 bands over 7 days<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hives" rel="nofollow noopener">The Hives</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz1Jwyxd4tE" rel="nofollow noopener">Hate to Say I Told You So</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Fighters" rel="nofollow noopener">Foo Fighters</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Miller_Band" rel="nofollow noopener">Steve Miller Band</a> (80!)<br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_(band)" rel="nofollow noopener">Journey</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Def_Leppard" rel="nofollow noopener">Def Leppard</a> (64!)<br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loverboy" rel="nofollow noopener">Loverboy</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Hagar" rel="nofollow noopener">Sammy Hagar</a> (76!)<br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.yuengling.com/americas-oldest-brewery-pottsville-pa/" rel="nofollow noopener">Yuengling brewery tour</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/qudi/qudi-mask-2-self-expression-redefined" rel="nofollow noopener">Qudi Mask 2</a><br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://youtu.be/9Ivg6k9qmbc" rel="nofollow noopener">Watch this</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/thesteve0/" rel="nofollow noopener">Steven Pousty</a>, call your office: <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-68942321" rel="nofollow noopener">North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs</a><br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standards" rel="nofollow noopener">British Standards</a> by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSI_Group" rel="nofollow noopener">BSI (British Standards Institution) Group</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://knowledge.bsigroup.com/articles/updating-the-national-standard-on-how-to-compile-a-reliable-gazetteer" rel="nofollow noopener">Updating the national standard on how to compile a reliable gazetteer</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#PACER" rel="nofollow noopener">PACER and Aaron Swartz</a><br></li>
<li>Related from Xkcd: <a href="https://xkcd.com/327/" rel="nofollow noopener">Exploits of a Mom</a> with Little Johnny Tables</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Gunnar Hellekson, call your office: <a href="https://hackaday.com/2024/07/12/holy-keyboard-case-batman/" rel="nofollow noopener">Holy Keyboard Case, Batman!</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2024/07/07/c-compiler-exists-entirely-in-vim/" rel="nofollow noopener">C Compiler Exists Entirely in Vim</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/thesteve0/" rel="nofollow noopener">Steven Pousty</a> for inspiring us to channel our inner Steven Pousty!<br></li>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk about raising standards on masks and raising our standards on compiling reliable gazetteers with BS 7666!</p>

<ul>
<li>Gunnar explores the neighborhoood with <a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">iNaturalist</a> and <a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/seek" rel="nofollow noopener">Seek</a><br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Black-bellied_Whistling-Duck/overview" rel="nofollow noopener">Black-bellied whistling duck</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Dave saw 7 bands over 7 days<br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hives" rel="nofollow noopener">The Hives</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz1Jwyxd4tE" rel="nofollow noopener">Hate to Say I Told You So</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Fighters" rel="nofollow noopener">Foo Fighters</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Miller_Band" rel="nofollow noopener">Steve Miller Band</a> (80!)<br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_(band)" rel="nofollow noopener">Journey</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Def_Leppard" rel="nofollow noopener">Def Leppard</a> (64!)<br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loverboy" rel="nofollow noopener">Loverboy</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Hagar" rel="nofollow noopener">Sammy Hagar</a> (76!)<br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.yuengling.com/americas-oldest-brewery-pottsville-pa/" rel="nofollow noopener">Yuengling brewery tour</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/qudi/qudi-mask-2-self-expression-redefined" rel="nofollow noopener">Qudi Mask 2</a><br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://youtu.be/9Ivg6k9qmbc" rel="nofollow noopener">Watch this</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/thesteve0/" rel="nofollow noopener">Steven Pousty</a>, call your office: <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-68942321" rel="nofollow noopener">North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs</a><br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standards" rel="nofollow noopener">British Standards</a> by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSI_Group" rel="nofollow noopener">BSI (British Standards Institution) Group</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://knowledge.bsigroup.com/articles/updating-the-national-standard-on-how-to-compile-a-reliable-gazetteer" rel="nofollow noopener">Updating the national standard on how to compile a reliable gazetteer</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#PACER" rel="nofollow noopener">PACER and Aaron Swartz</a><br></li>
<li>Related from Xkcd: <a href="https://xkcd.com/327/" rel="nofollow noopener">Exploits of a Mom</a> with Little Johnny Tables</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Gunnar Hellekson, call your office: <a href="https://hackaday.com/2024/07/12/holy-keyboard-case-batman/" rel="nofollow noopener">Holy Keyboard Case, Batman!</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://hackaday.com/2024/07/07/c-compiler-exists-entirely-in-vim/" rel="nofollow noopener">C Compiler Exists Entirely in Vim</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/thesteve0/" rel="nofollow noopener">Steven Pousty</a> for inspiring us to channel our inner Steven Pousty!<br></li>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 224: Smells Like Sauerkraut</title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2021 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about the norms of dream coercion, the norms of encrypted messaging, and the norms of ransomware game theory</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>41:23</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about the norms of dream coercion, the norms of encrypted messaging, and the norms of ransomware game theory&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Bo Burnham’s &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;“Inside”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Foo Fighters at the &lt;a href="https://iconmusiccenter.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;ICON Music Center&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/are-advertisers-coming-your-dreams" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Are advertisers coming for your dreams?&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhat-xUQ6dw" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Silent Lucidity&lt;/a&gt; by Queensryche&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Unrelated: &lt;a href="https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/10357288" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Sleep Sensing on Nest Hub (2nd gen)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Also unrelated: &lt;a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-09/amazon-com-wants-to-monitor-you-in-your-sleep-for-your-benefit" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Amazon.com Wants to Monitor You in Your Sleep, for Your Benefit&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7b4gg/anom-phone-arcaneos-fbi-backdoor" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;We Got the Phone the FBI Secretly Sold to Criminals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/whatsapp-signal-disappearing-messages" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Why everyone should use disappearing messages on WhatsApp and Signal&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://xkcd.com/538/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Related XKCD&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/08/ransomware-game-theory-geopolitics-cyber-attack-498625" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Opinion | Could Ransomware Become a Geopolitical Weapon? Game Theory Says Yes.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEKIW3pUUk" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Smells Like Teen Spirit Cover In Classical Latin (75 BC to 3rd Century AD) Bardcore&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/606709/frozens-let-it-go-in-klingon" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Frozen’s “Let It Go” Performed in Klingon&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOJoOtk7Scw" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;“Don’t Stop Believin’” Performed in Klingon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.openculture.com/2021/06/the-airline-toilets-theatre-company.html" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Subterranean Homesick Blues Performed in a Regional Jet Restroom&lt;/a&gt; as performed by the Airline Toilets Theatre Company (and member of &lt;a href="https://www.ukuleleorchestra.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/o137d0/oc_i_discovered_that_i_can_play_a_melody_by/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;”Take on Me” Performed by Face Smacking&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://what-i-got.glitch.me/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Sublime Text&lt;/a&gt; to get What I Got&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We Give Thanks&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The D&amp;amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics! &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>Bo Burnham, Inside, Foo Fighters, ICON Music Center, advertising, lucid dreams, lucid dreaming, Silent Lucidity, Queensryche, Nest Hub, Amazon, Alexa, FBI, criminals, Anom, Android, WhatsApp, Signal, ephemeral messaging, XKCD, ransomware, geopolitics, Nirvana, Smells Like Teen Spirit, Latin, Frozen, Let It Go, Journey, Don't Stop Believin', Klingon, Bob Dylan, Subterranean Homesick Blues, regional jet restrooms, a-ha, Take on Me, face smacking, Sublime, What I got</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk about the norms of dream coercion, the norms of encrypted messaging, and the norms of ransomware game theory</p>

<ul>
<li>Bo Burnham’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU" rel="nofollow noopener">“Inside”</a></li>
<li>Foo Fighters at the <a href="https://iconmusiccenter.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">ICON Music Center</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/are-advertisers-coming-your-dreams" rel="nofollow noopener">Are advertisers coming for your dreams?</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhat-xUQ6dw" rel="nofollow noopener">Silent Lucidity</a> by Queensryche</li>
<li>Unrelated: <a href="https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/10357288" rel="nofollow noopener">Sleep Sensing on Nest Hub (2nd gen)</a></li>
<li>Also unrelated: <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-09/amazon-com-wants-to-monitor-you-in-your-sleep-for-your-benefit" rel="nofollow noopener">Amazon.com Wants to Monitor You in Your Sleep, for Your Benefit</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7b4gg/anom-phone-arcaneos-fbi-backdoor" rel="nofollow noopener">We Got the Phone the FBI Secretly Sold to Criminals</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/whatsapp-signal-disappearing-messages" rel="nofollow noopener">Why everyone should use disappearing messages on WhatsApp and Signal</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://xkcd.com/538/" rel="nofollow noopener">Related XKCD</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/08/ransomware-game-theory-geopolitics-cyber-attack-498625" rel="nofollow noopener">Opinion | Could Ransomware Become a Geopolitical Weapon? Game Theory Says Yes.</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEKIW3pUUk" rel="nofollow noopener">Smells Like Teen Spirit Cover In Classical Latin (75 BC to 3rd Century AD) Bardcore</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/606709/frozens-let-it-go-in-klingon" rel="nofollow noopener">Frozen’s “Let It Go” Performed in Klingon</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOJoOtk7Scw" rel="nofollow noopener">“Don’t Stop Believin’” Performed in Klingon</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.openculture.com/2021/06/the-airline-toilets-theatre-company.html" rel="nofollow noopener">Subterranean Homesick Blues Performed in a Regional Jet Restroom</a> as performed by the Airline Toilets Theatre Company (and member of <a href="https://www.ukuleleorchestra.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/o137d0/oc_i_discovered_that_i_can_play_a_melody_by/" rel="nofollow noopener">”Take on Me” Performed by Face Smacking</a></li>
<li><a href="https://what-i-got.glitch.me/" rel="nofollow noopener">Sublime Text</a> to get What I Got</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk about the norms of dream coercion, the norms of encrypted messaging, and the norms of ransomware game theory</p>

<ul>
<li>Bo Burnham’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU" rel="nofollow noopener">“Inside”</a></li>
<li>Foo Fighters at the <a href="https://iconmusiccenter.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">ICON Music Center</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/are-advertisers-coming-your-dreams" rel="nofollow noopener">Are advertisers coming for your dreams?</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhat-xUQ6dw" rel="nofollow noopener">Silent Lucidity</a> by Queensryche</li>
<li>Unrelated: <a href="https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/10357288" rel="nofollow noopener">Sleep Sensing on Nest Hub (2nd gen)</a></li>
<li>Also unrelated: <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-09/amazon-com-wants-to-monitor-you-in-your-sleep-for-your-benefit" rel="nofollow noopener">Amazon.com Wants to Monitor You in Your Sleep, for Your Benefit</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7b4gg/anom-phone-arcaneos-fbi-backdoor" rel="nofollow noopener">We Got the Phone the FBI Secretly Sold to Criminals</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/whatsapp-signal-disappearing-messages" rel="nofollow noopener">Why everyone should use disappearing messages on WhatsApp and Signal</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://xkcd.com/538/" rel="nofollow noopener">Related XKCD</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/08/ransomware-game-theory-geopolitics-cyber-attack-498625" rel="nofollow noopener">Opinion | Could Ransomware Become a Geopolitical Weapon? Game Theory Says Yes.</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEKIW3pUUk" rel="nofollow noopener">Smells Like Teen Spirit Cover In Classical Latin (75 BC to 3rd Century AD) Bardcore</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/606709/frozens-let-it-go-in-klingon" rel="nofollow noopener">Frozen’s “Let It Go” Performed in Klingon</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOJoOtk7Scw" rel="nofollow noopener">“Don’t Stop Believin’” Performed in Klingon</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.openculture.com/2021/06/the-airline-toilets-theatre-company.html" rel="nofollow noopener">Subterranean Homesick Blues Performed in a Regional Jet Restroom</a> as performed by the Airline Toilets Theatre Company (and member of <a href="https://www.ukuleleorchestra.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/o137d0/oc_i_discovered_that_i_can_play_a_melody_by/" rel="nofollow noopener">”Take on Me” Performed by Face Smacking</a></li>
<li><a href="https://what-i-got.glitch.me/" rel="nofollow noopener">Sublime Text</a> to get What I Got</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The D&amp;G Show Slack Clubhouse for the discussion topics!</li>
</ul>]]>
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