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    <title>Dave &amp; Gunnar Show - Episodes Tagged with “Bruce Schneier”</title>
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    <description>David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.</description>
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    <itunes:subtitle>Not our circus, not our monkey.</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.</itunes:summary>
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  <title>Episode 286: Work, Gyms, and Toxic Relationships</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week, Dave and Gunnar talk with Camille Tuutti about Swedish AI coffee shops and reanimating woolly mammoths!</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>55:55</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk with &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/ctuutti" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Camille Tuutti&lt;/a&gt; about Swedish AI coffee shops and reanimating woolly mammoths!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nextgov.com/artificial-intelligence/2026/06/meet-mona-ai-who-runs-stockholm-coffee-shop/414319/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Meet Mona, the AI Who Runs a Stockholm Coffee Shop&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/ctuutti" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Camille Tuutti&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;By &lt;a href="https://andonlabs.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Andon Labs&lt;/a&gt; (see &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/278" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;D&amp;amp;G #278&lt;/a&gt;!)&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Meanwhile: &lt;a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/29/claude-opus-5-became-downright-ruthless-when-tasked-with-running-a-vending-machine/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Claude Opus 5 became downright ruthless when tasked with running a vending machine&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemonade_Stand" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Lemonade Stand&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2026/07/should-you-use-ai-for-a-task-heres-a-simple-way-to-decide.html" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Should You Use AI for a Task? Here’s a Simple Way to Decide&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/camilletuutti_neuroscience-ai-futureofwork-share-7473020661918068736-XO-f/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Camille asks Vivienne Ming about brain atrophy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXgkQ3nYeE" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;I Watched 3 Companies Lay Off Their Managers. All 3 Hit the Same Wall.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2026/07/29/college-instructor-catches-students-using-ai-midterm-viral/91091359007/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;College instructor goes viral for catching students' AI use on midterm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/2026/07/ben-lamm-extinction-just-engineering-problem/414865/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;To Ben Lamm, extinction is just an engineering problem&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We Give Thanks&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/ctuutti" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Camille Tuutti&lt;/a&gt; for being our special guest star! Special Guest: Camille Tuutti.&lt;/li&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk with <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/ctuutti" rel="nofollow noopener">Camille Tuutti</a> about Swedish AI coffee shops and reanimating woolly mammoths!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.nextgov.com/artificial-intelligence/2026/06/meet-mona-ai-who-runs-stockholm-coffee-shop/414319/" rel="nofollow noopener">Meet Mona, the AI Who Runs a Stockholm Coffee Shop</a> by <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/ctuutti" rel="nofollow noopener">Camille Tuutti</a><br>

<ul>
<li>By <a href="https://andonlabs.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Andon Labs</a> (see <a href="https://dgshow.org/278" rel="nofollow noopener">D&amp;G #278</a>!)<br></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Meanwhile: <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/29/claude-opus-5-became-downright-ruthless-when-tasked-with-running-a-vending-machine/" rel="nofollow noopener">Claude Opus 5 became downright ruthless when tasked with running a vending machine</a><br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemonade_Stand" rel="nofollow noopener">Lemonade Stand</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2026/07/should-you-use-ai-for-a-task-heres-a-simple-way-to-decide.html" rel="nofollow noopener">Should You Use AI for a Task? Here’s a Simple Way to Decide</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/camilletuutti_neuroscience-ai-futureofwork-share-7473020661918068736-XO-f/" rel="nofollow noopener">Camille asks Vivienne Ming about brain atrophy</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXgkQ3nYeE" rel="nofollow noopener">I Watched 3 Companies Lay Off Their Managers. All 3 Hit the Same Wall.</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2026/07/29/college-instructor-catches-students-using-ai-midterm-viral/91091359007/" rel="nofollow noopener">College instructor goes viral for catching students' AI use on midterm</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/2026/07/ben-lamm-extinction-just-engineering-problem/414865/" rel="nofollow noopener">To Ben Lamm, extinction is just an engineering problem</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/ctuutti" rel="nofollow noopener">Camille Tuutti</a> for being our special guest star!</li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Camille Tuutti.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk with <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/ctuutti" rel="nofollow noopener">Camille Tuutti</a> about Swedish AI coffee shops and reanimating woolly mammoths!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.nextgov.com/artificial-intelligence/2026/06/meet-mona-ai-who-runs-stockholm-coffee-shop/414319/" rel="nofollow noopener">Meet Mona, the AI Who Runs a Stockholm Coffee Shop</a> by <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/ctuutti" rel="nofollow noopener">Camille Tuutti</a><br>

<ul>
<li>By <a href="https://andonlabs.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Andon Labs</a> (see <a href="https://dgshow.org/278" rel="nofollow noopener">D&amp;G #278</a>!)<br></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Meanwhile: <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/29/claude-opus-5-became-downright-ruthless-when-tasked-with-running-a-vending-machine/" rel="nofollow noopener">Claude Opus 5 became downright ruthless when tasked with running a vending machine</a><br>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemonade_Stand" rel="nofollow noopener">Lemonade Stand</a><br></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2026/07/should-you-use-ai-for-a-task-heres-a-simple-way-to-decide.html" rel="nofollow noopener">Should You Use AI for a Task? Here’s a Simple Way to Decide</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/camilletuutti_neuroscience-ai-futureofwork-share-7473020661918068736-XO-f/" rel="nofollow noopener">Camille asks Vivienne Ming about brain atrophy</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXgkQ3nYeE" rel="nofollow noopener">I Watched 3 Companies Lay Off Their Managers. All 3 Hit the Same Wall.</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2026/07/29/college-instructor-catches-students-using-ai-midterm-viral/91091359007/" rel="nofollow noopener">College instructor goes viral for catching students' AI use on midterm</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/2026/07/ben-lamm-extinction-just-engineering-problem/414865/" rel="nofollow noopener">To Ben Lamm, extinction is just an engineering problem</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/ctuutti" rel="nofollow noopener">Camille Tuutti</a> for being our special guest star!</li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Camille Tuutti.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 283: We Could’ve Been Standing Outside an Olive Garden</title>
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  <pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2026 06:00:00 -0600</pubDate>
  <author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</author>
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  <itunes:author>David Egts &amp; Gunnar Hellekson</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave and Gunnar talk about AI judging photos, AI judging meeting transcripts, and hacking AI with poetry!</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>30:58</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gunnar&lt;/a&gt; talk about AI judging photos, AI judging meeting transcripts, and hacking AI with poetry!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_Things" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Stranger Things&lt;/a&gt;! It’s good, actually!&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://rentahuman.ai" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;rentahuman.ai&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://theyseeyourphotos.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;They See Your Photos&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.wired.com/story/poems-can-trick-ai-into-helping-you-make-a-nuclear-weapon/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Poems Can Trick AI Into Helping You Make a Nuclear Weapon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;D&amp;amp;G This Week in Controlling the Past to Control the Future: &lt;a href="https://www.csoonline.com/article/4077438/manipulating-the-meeting-notetaker-the-rise-of-ai-summarization-optimization.html" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Manipulating the meeting notetaker: The rise of AI summarization optimization&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cutting Room Floor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://doombuds.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;DOOMBuds&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>Stranger Things, MCP servers, rentahuman.ai, OpenClaw, Black Mirror, Westworld, DOOM, DOOMBuds, Ente, theyseeyourphotos.com, AI, Flaviar, MGM Rewards, Helmet, AA meeting finders, adversarial poetry, Bruce Schneier, meeting summarization, AI summarization optimization, bias, Granola, Otter, meeting grading, meeting costs</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk about AI judging photos, AI judging meeting transcripts, and hacking AI with poetry!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_Things" rel="nofollow noopener">Stranger Things</a>! It’s good, actually!<br></li>
<li><a href="https://rentahuman.ai" rel="nofollow noopener">rentahuman.ai</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://theyseeyourphotos.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">They See Your Photos</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/poems-can-trick-ai-into-helping-you-make-a-nuclear-weapon/" rel="nofollow noopener">Poems Can Trick AI Into Helping You Make a Nuclear Weapon</a><br></li>
<li>D&amp;G This Week in Controlling the Past to Control the Future: <a href="https://www.csoonline.com/article/4077438/manipulating-the-meeting-notetaker-the-rise-of-ai-summarization-optimization.html" rel="nofollow noopener">Manipulating the meeting notetaker: The rise of AI summarization optimization</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://doombuds.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">DOOMBuds</a></li>
</ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/dave" rel="nofollow noopener">Dave</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/hosts/gunnar" rel="nofollow noopener">Gunnar</a> talk about AI judging photos, AI judging meeting transcripts, and hacking AI with poetry!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_Things" rel="nofollow noopener">Stranger Things</a>! It’s good, actually!<br></li>
<li><a href="https://rentahuman.ai" rel="nofollow noopener">rentahuman.ai</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://theyseeyourphotos.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">They See Your Photos</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/poems-can-trick-ai-into-helping-you-make-a-nuclear-weapon/" rel="nofollow noopener">Poems Can Trick AI Into Helping You Make a Nuclear Weapon</a><br></li>
<li>D&amp;G This Week in Controlling the Past to Control the Future: <a href="https://www.csoonline.com/article/4077438/manipulating-the-meeting-notetaker-the-rise-of-ai-summarization-optimization.html" rel="nofollow noopener">Manipulating the meeting notetaker: The rise of AI summarization optimization</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Cutting Room Floor</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://doombuds.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">DOOMBuds</a></li>
</ul>]]>
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