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  <title>Episode 239: The Bottom Turtle</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week Dave talks with Mike Bursell about his new book, Trust in Computer Systems and the Cloud!</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>This week Dave talks with Mike Bursell (https://dgshow.org/guests/mbursell) about his new book, Trust in Computer Systems and the Cloud (https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Trust+in+Computer+Systems+and+the+Cloud-p-9781119692324)!
Check out Mike Bursell (https://dgshow.org/guests/mbursell) and Nathaniel McCallum (https://dgshow.org/guests/nmccallum) on episode 237 (https://dgshow.org/237)!
Trust in Computer Systems and the Cloud (https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Trust+in+Computer+Systems+and+the+Cloud-p-9781119692324) by Mike Bursell
Profian (https://www.profian.com/)
Defcon (https://defcon.org/)
Blockchain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain)
Zero Trust (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_trust_security_model): Poorly named? Would Explicit Trust be more accurate?
Reflections on Trusting Trust (http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf) by Ken Thompson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Thompson) 
Trusted Platform Module (TPM) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module)
Hardware Security Module (HSM) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_security_module)
Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_execution_environment)
Trusted computing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing)
Confidential computing – the new HTTPS? (https://aliceevebob.com/2019/12/03/confidential-computing-the-new-https/)
Enarx (https://enarx.dev/)
Idris Elba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_Elba)
Horrible Histories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horrible_Histories_(2001_TV_series))
We Give Thanks
* Mike Bursell (https://dgshow.org/guests/mbursell), for joining us on the show! Special Guest: Mike Bursell.
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week Dave talks with <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/mbursell" rel="nofollow">Mike Bursell</a> about his new book, <em><a href="https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Trust+in+Computer+Systems+and+the+Cloud-p-9781119692324" rel="nofollow">Trust in Computer Systems and the Cloud</a></em>!</p>

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<li>Check out <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/mbursell" rel="nofollow">Mike Bursell</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/nmccallum" rel="nofollow">Nathaniel McCallum</a> on <a href="https://dgshow.org/237" rel="nofollow">episode 237</a>!</li>
<li><em><a href="https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Trust+in+Computer+Systems+and+the+Cloud-p-9781119692324" rel="nofollow">Trust in Computer Systems and the Cloud</a></em> by Mike Bursell</li>
<li><a href="https://www.profian.com/" rel="nofollow">Profian</a></li>
<li><a href="https://defcon.org/" rel="nofollow">Defcon</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain" rel="nofollow">Blockchain</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_trust_security_model" rel="nofollow">Zero Trust</a>: Poorly named? Would Explicit Trust be more accurate?</li>
<li><a href="http://www.ece.cmu.edu/%7Eganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf" rel="nofollow">Reflections on Trusting Trust</a> by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Thompson" rel="nofollow">Ken Thompson</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module" rel="nofollow">Trusted Platform Module (TPM)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_security_module" rel="nofollow">Hardware Security Module (HSM)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_execution_environment" rel="nofollow">Trusted Execution Environment (TEE)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing" rel="nofollow">Trusted computing</a></li>
<li><a href="https://aliceevebob.com/2019/12/03/confidential-computing-the-new-https/" rel="nofollow">Confidential computing – the new HTTPS?</a></li>
<li><a href="https://enarx.dev/" rel="nofollow">Enarx</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_Elba" rel="nofollow">Idris Elba</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horrible_Histories_(2001_TV_series)" rel="nofollow">Horrible Histories</a></li>
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<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

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<li><a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/mbursell" rel="nofollow">Mike Bursell</a>, for joining us on the show!</li>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week Dave talks with <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/mbursell" rel="nofollow">Mike Bursell</a> about his new book, <em><a href="https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Trust+in+Computer+Systems+and+the+Cloud-p-9781119692324" rel="nofollow">Trust in Computer Systems and the Cloud</a></em>!</p>

<ul>
<li>Check out <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/mbursell" rel="nofollow">Mike Bursell</a> and <a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/nmccallum" rel="nofollow">Nathaniel McCallum</a> on <a href="https://dgshow.org/237" rel="nofollow">episode 237</a>!</li>
<li><em><a href="https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Trust+in+Computer+Systems+and+the+Cloud-p-9781119692324" rel="nofollow">Trust in Computer Systems and the Cloud</a></em> by Mike Bursell</li>
<li><a href="https://www.profian.com/" rel="nofollow">Profian</a></li>
<li><a href="https://defcon.org/" rel="nofollow">Defcon</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain" rel="nofollow">Blockchain</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_trust_security_model" rel="nofollow">Zero Trust</a>: Poorly named? Would Explicit Trust be more accurate?</li>
<li><a href="http://www.ece.cmu.edu/%7Eganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf" rel="nofollow">Reflections on Trusting Trust</a> by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Thompson" rel="nofollow">Ken Thompson</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module" rel="nofollow">Trusted Platform Module (TPM)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_security_module" rel="nofollow">Hardware Security Module (HSM)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_execution_environment" rel="nofollow">Trusted Execution Environment (TEE)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing" rel="nofollow">Trusted computing</a></li>
<li><a href="https://aliceevebob.com/2019/12/03/confidential-computing-the-new-https/" rel="nofollow">Confidential computing – the new HTTPS?</a></li>
<li><a href="https://enarx.dev/" rel="nofollow">Enarx</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_Elba" rel="nofollow">Idris Elba</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horrible_Histories_(2001_TV_series)" rel="nofollow">Horrible Histories</a></li>
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<p><strong>We Give Thanks</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://dgshow.org/guests/mbursell" rel="nofollow">Mike Bursell</a>, for joining us on the show!</li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Mike Bursell.</p>]]>
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